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Microsoft Changes Tune Again On SP2 Installs

KidHash writes "Following on from last months Slashdot story, it appears Microsoft has changed its tune with the BBC reporting that SP2 will not install on XP installations using the '20 most pirated product IDs.'"

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  1. Locate foot. Aim. FIRE! by Space+cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It seems to me that this is a rather odd strategy for a company whose main strength is marketing/PR. They don't charge for SP2, there's no revenue stream to lose, so why make more problems for yourself by not patching up vulnerabilities ? About the only positive I can see MS hoping for is that the people who are running the pirated copies of XP will now go out and buy a new copy! They've more chance of knitting fog.

    What I see happening is that the 21-40 most-pirated codes rapidly displace the top-20 most-pirated codes, and everyone who cares about being up-to-date is happy with no benefit to MS. Instead, the chances they missed were:
    • To come over as concerned about the 'greater good' of the net at next-to-no if any cost to themselves. The opportunities for spinning the story to paint MS on the side of the angels were enormous...
    • To reduce the number of windows servers that are contributing to the general crap flooding through the net by patching the holes that enable hackers to 'own' the machines....


    All in all, I am somewhat surprised - an uncharacteristic faux pas.

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    1. Re:Locate foot. Aim. FIRE! by TopShelf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What is especially stupid about this is that infected machines don't just impact their user, but also anybody else out there.

      If they actually think they'll get a single dime of extra revenue from this decision, they're nuts...

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    2. Re:Locate foot. Aim. FIRE! by in7ane · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Let's try that again, now spell checked:

      No, they will now get to blame widespread worm outbreaks on piracy. And so piracy and the inconvenience caused by worms will be tied together in consumer/media's mind. Actually a reasonably smart move on their part, although could well backfire if not spun properly.

      The next worm will lead to headlines saying "Widespread network breakdowns caused by unpatched machines of pirates" rather than "Widespread network breakdowns caused by poor Windows security"

    3. Re:Locate foot. Aim. FIRE! by SilentChris · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It makes zero business sense. What's the point of rewarding those who didn't give the company a single penny? Let them keep their crappy copies. Maybe they'll see a legitimate copy and say to themselves "Hey, maybe I should actually pay for this instead of pirating it every time".

      Besides, this has very little to do with current XP users. I know some people who didn't even bother to install SP1. This to affect new computer purchases (particularly by corporations) more than anything. XP with SP2 is seen as a lot more viable approach to security than XP with SP1 -- I know my company is delaying any purchases until the new service pack comes out. Microsoft could care less about 3rd-world piraters (despite what you may think, the vast majority of MS workstations are used in business).

    4. Re:Locate foot. Aim. FIRE! by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 4, Insightful
      They can pretend that they hate piracy of their products, but they hate OSS/Free software even more. Locking out non-payers would probably just hurt them more than help them, causing a lot of people to defect to Linux and Macs.
      Indeed. They hate OSS users more, because at least, the pirates could theorically be brought to justice and/or made to cough-up cash to Billy-Boy, whereas they just can't LEGALLY lay their hands on OSS users and squeeze cash out of them...

      Piracy does not threaten to shut them down. OSS does.

    5. Re:Locate foot. Aim. FIRE! by daviddennis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have a legitimate copy of Windows XP (which I don't use much since I'm a Mac guy, but let's pretend I use it).

      Worms are crawling all over my network and impacting me all the time. Let's say they are coming from unpatchable machines. I am the unwitting victim of a policy of Microsoft not to allow other machines to be patched.

      Frankly, this doesn't seem fair to me as a paying customer. I sympathise with their hatred of piracy, but when something like this affects all users, not just the pirates, I don't think it's good.

      Maybe they could produce "SP-2 Pirate Edition" which would just contain the security fixes and no enhancements?

      D

    6. Re:Locate foot. Aim. FIRE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually that info on changing the activation code sounds like a new virus about to be written. Imagine a virus forcing users to call Microsoft to reactivate their copy?

  2. He who laughs last... by SYFer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Last month, I got hammered for taking a skeptical position about MS' attitude and motivations. What bothered me at the time was the disingenuous wording of their original announcement (not the act itself) wherein they professed concern only for the pirate users' safety.

    The problem MS faces is that the reputation of their OS is gradually eroding with virus after virus and a lot of this comes from those rouge boxes that lack the securtiy patches. This puts MS in an interesting quandry: help theives or save the OS. Heh.

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  3. Well, it is their choice by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While it will generate bad press, and allow many unprotected PC's to propagate worms/viruses, it's their right to withhold updates.

    Unless that is, a class action law suit forces them to be responsible for their mistakes, much as car dealers are now. True it's not actually a 'safety' issue, and you don't 'own' the software like you do a car, but now that the government believes the internet is 'needed and a national issue', who knows.

    Personally I think they should offer it to everyone, they aren't going to loose any revenue over it. And it makes it look to the common man ( and the government ) that they care.

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  4. It won't matter much... by halivar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the pirates are trying to install SP2, then they already have Windows installed. That means MS has already got their marketshare boost, and need not worry about actually supporting the pirate.

    After all, do you really think all those pirates are going to say, "Darn you, Microsoft!" and go install Gentoo?

    I think not.

  5. Who buys Windows *retail*? by fwitness · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am wondering how many 'regular users' go out and buy a copy of Windows at the store. They retail for about $250-300, and I never see a shelf with a slot missing. Every single user that I know that has windows, got it with their computer.

    So how many *retail* copies of Windows does MS sell?

    It's rare that I encounter a pirated copy of Windows anymore, except on home made PCs. The funny part is, those that pirate usually have the key written on the CD. In contrast, whenever I have to reinstall at a relatives with their legitimate copy, they never can find their key.

    Microsoft should just go back to the C64 days of 'What is the third word of the fifth paragraph on the fifteenth page of your EULA?'

    This is, of course, assuming any printed copy of the EULA would be kept by Joe User. Estimates vary.

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    1. Re:Who buys Windows *retail*? by Nintendork · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "They retail for about $250-300, and I never see a shelf with a slot missing."

      And when I go to the grocery store, eveything appears to be fully stocked. I guess nobody buys groceries. *grin*

      -Lucas

  6. customer alienation by eagl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    *sarcasm*

    Does Microsoft REALLY want to alienate the 1-2 million loyal customers who are using those 20 codes?

    */sarcasm*

    It doesn't sound much different to me than charging higher insurance rates to people who have multiple traffic violations or at-fault accidents, and it apparently won't affect more than... maybe... 20 legitimate customers who can pick up the phone and call Microsoft if they need to update properly licensed installations.

    The only thing I'd worry about is if SP2 breaks backwards compatibility, once again using their de-facto OS monopoly to force EVERYONE to upgrade, just because they want to hurt software pirates or sell their next generation OS. That would be unfortunate and annoying.

  7. Rather Irresponsible of them? by MooseByte · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Are there any security patches in SP2 that will NOT be released separately? If so, I'd say this is one amazingly reckless move on Microsoft's part. In the end the legit users (even non-MS customers) will bear the brunt of Net attacks by compromised machines. After all, those "Top 20" licenses must account for a large number of machines, else why bother singling them out?

    Let's face it, even WITH the release of security patches its damn hard to get John Q. Public to keep up to date.

    Now if SP2 is only a "features and stability" release, more power to the software vendor, MS or not. (Wow, did I just conditionally support MS' position? I need a drink...)

  8. Re:Old news by hughk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not really, there seems to be a schism within Microsoft with some feeling that cleaning up the Internet pollution caused by buggy Windows installations is good neighbourliness and also good PR and the others who want their dollars at all costs. The two parts have made conflicting announcements and it seems that now the money whores have won.

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  9. 20 most pirated codes by KilobyteKnight · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, I guess it's time for everyone to go copy the numbers off the stickers on the floor displays at Best Buy again.

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  10. Re:SP2 Disabling Pirate Copies by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Insightful
    That would be a disastrous approach for Microsoft. First, there's the PR issue with peddling products that seem to be "out to get" the customers, rightly or wrongly.

    Second, there are millions of casual pirates who install Windows on more machines than they've licensed, or who "borrow" a copy from work. Many of these people just aren't ever going to buy the appropriate number of copies of the OS, especially at retail prices. However, they do benefit Microsoft by remaining in the Windows "ecosystem", increasing its value through the network effect. If they crack down on these people, many of them will go to the effort to learn Linux or some other solution, thereby increasing the influence of alternative ecosystems at the expense of Microsoft's influence. This increased familiarity of alternative solutions in the general public would lower the barriers for Microsoft's lucrative customers, like entire businesses, from dumping all of their Microsoft products and switching to alternatives.

  11. Re:Blah, keygen repost, part 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't worry, the keygen is in the public domain.

    What you do with it is your business.

    I personally have 8 licenses of Windows XP and only 4 computers.

    Why do I use a keygen? Mostly because I don't like activation.

    Of course I also edited my license agreement to "I agree to use this software in any manner I see fit under existing copyright law" and had it signed with the same signatures that the original agreement had. Which would be none.

  12. No by aussie_a · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They hate OSS users more, because at least, the pirates could theorically be brought to justice and/or made to cough-up cash to Billy-Boy, whereas they just can't LEGALLY lay their hands on OSS users and squeeze cash out of them...

    No, they hate OSS users more because they don't contribute to making Microsoft the standard. If every pirate switched to Linux, you wouldn't be able to use a word document and figure most of the people you talk to will be able to read it. Instead you'll have to use another, non-Microsoft file format. But if you do that, then there is less reason for you to be using Windows, so more people will be inclined to move over to other operating systems.

    Pirates make Microsoft the standard among home users.