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Parties Behind Eolas Patent Reexam Revealed

theodp writes "While news accounts credited Tim Berners-Lee's mighty pen with triggering the USPTO reexam of the Eolas plug-in patent that could negate a $520+ million judgment against Microsoft, newly released USPTO interview notes suggest the reexam may owe more to an alliance of tech giants who appear to have quietly advanced the same arguments to the USPTO weeks prior to Berners-Lee." See also some previous coverage of the Eolas patent circus, and more below about the USPTO reexam.

theodp continues "According to a 4-27 Interview Summary, the USPTO presented Eolas with a 10-14 letter signed by in-house counsel from Microsoft, AOL and Macromedia, a 10-15 letter from Adobe, and a 10-22 letter from the law firm of Sidley Austin (aka Microsoft's lawyers) in connection with its proposed rejection of Eolas' patent claims. All predated the 10-24 letter from the W3C's counsel as well as Berners-Lee's widely-publicized 10-28 letter, which seems unlikely to have prompted the USPTO's detailed 10-30 Reexam Order. The W3C has repeatedly had no comment when asked if the 'newly cited art' provided in its 10-24 filing had already been supplied earlier to the USPTO by others. UPDATE: In response, the W3C's Danny Weitzner points out that the preceding words are mine and should not be confused with those of a distinguished journalist."

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  1. This is good but... by LibrePensador · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If this kind of web-neighbor due diligence was carried out more often, we would not see all these spurious software patents being issued.

    Why don't we create an industry funded board whose job is to make sure that silly software patents are no longer awarded? Oh wait... The industry only dislikes SOME software patents, while anyone who cares to look will see that all software patents threaten innovation and are largely anti-competitive because they rig the game in favor of big corporations.

    Unfortunately, software patents have become the last hurdle that the proprietary world can throw at the free software movement.

    Moglen and Lessig are both very persuasive (If you got a bit of free time, read "Free Culture" by the latter) I hope that upon hearing their arguments European Commission will be wise enough to reconsider its position on software patents.

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    1. Re:This is good but... by Groote+Ka · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The industry only dislikes SOME software patents, while anyone who cares to look will see that all software patents threaten innovation and are largely anti-competitive because they rig the game in favor of big corporations.

      I do not entirely agree with you. Minor companies can play that game as well and perhaps even better. When a minor company has a patent on a groundbreaking (or little less) invention, it can be a major pain in the *rse of a big company(with a proper sponsoring for the small one, ok), especially when that small company has no product portfolio to which the big company can assert its patents.

      Just think about Intertrust vs. Microsoft (settled out of court).

      With respect to the part of your story with which I might (yeah, I'm a legal techie) agree: When major companies block the small ones from sales + development of certain software and bind them with strangling contracts (give us all your IP or we will break your back with our IP), yes, patents are not very good things and will surely suffocate innovation.

      But at long as licenses are available under reasonable and non-discriminatory (RAND) terms, I do not see any problems.

    2. Re:This is good but... by Halo1 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I do not entirely agree with you. Minor companies can play that game as well and perhaps even better. When a minor company has a patent on a groundbreaking (or little less) invention, it can be a major pain in the *rse of a big company(with a proper sponsoring for the small one, ok), especially when that small company has no product portfolio to which the big company can assert its patents.
      Not just especially, but only if the small company has no product portfolio. In other words, if the small company is a patent parasite, which contributes virtually nothing useful to society (name one software company that turns to the patent database to find new ideas for stuff to put in its applications)...

      All it does is sue the companies which do contribute something useful to the economy (a product that can be sold and which people can use). Yes, it's a great way to make money, and in the end it's those big companies who always argued for unlimited patentability who are now on the wrong end of the stick, because some smart people simply optimized their business model to maximise their profit in the system created by the patent junkies.

      So now the big companies start whining and complaining, accusing those parasites of being "patent trolls" and play the innocent third party harmed by the bad practice of the USPTO... While it's the fault of their own patent trolls (IP lawyers who wanted more influence in the company) it came to this in the first place.

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    3. Re:This is good but... by LibrePensador · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "When a minor company has a patent on a groundbreaking (or little less) invention, it can be a major pain in the *rse of a big company(with a proper sponsoring for the small one, ok), especially when that small company has no product portfolio to which the big company can assert its patents."

      The problem is that this is fairly rare. If you are a small company doing some kind of interesting software development, your product is bound to in some obscure way violate one of the thousand patents that the big guys have.

      Besides two wrongs really don't make a write and I am more concerned with the well-being of free software developers, salaried or not, who independently do not probably have the resources to fight a patent-infringement case.

      As a writer, I care about copyright infringement. And the mathematicians who understand software fail to understand how anyone can really claim to have "invented" something in software. Written it yet, invented it no.

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    4. Re:This is good but... by Halo1 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      You are wrong in thinking that all large corporations are in favour of software patents, or that there is even an economical majority (in Europe) in favour of software patents. In Germany, 80% of the people employed in IT work for SME's, in Belgium 60%. As for large corporations against software patents, have a look at this letter written by the ObjectWeb Consortium, representing these companies. Some names you might recognise are Dassault Aviation, France Telecom R&D and the Thales Group.

      Further, the current Commission stance on software patents is mostly dominated by Bolkestein, an extremely conservative "liberal" who longs for a European Microsoft (and failing that, just Microsoft: a few all-encompassing companies as "backbone" for the economy). Bolkestein is now leaving the Commission. Of course, his people will most likely remain, but it will still be interesting to see whether this will bring any change. And failing that, there's still the Parliament and more and more to some extent even the Council that could help us.

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  2. So, Big Business will make it all better? by EasyTarget · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Humm, The BBC had a article related to this too, Here, and it scared me since the companies that are lobbying for changes to the Patent regieme are all the existing 'effective monopolies', MS, Cisco, Ebay, etc..

    I don't think a patent system re-written by Big-Business is going to be good for anyone other than Big-Business.

    The more I think about this, the more I fail to see any answer, only problems. How can a patent system protect the genuinely innovative little guys, whilst preventing the abuses the Big Business will practice in order to protect their market share?

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  3. Re:What, again? by tambo · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'm a patent attorney who plans to build a career out of prosecuting software patents. I'm also halfway through earning an MCIS and several MCP certifications.

    So I think that I'm well-positioned to state that awful software patents are bad for everyone - including the patentee.

    Eolas is only the latest example in this stream of patents that should never have been filed, let alone examined and issued. Microsoft's double-click patent, Amazon's 1-Click patent, Yahoo's patent for an Internet search engine - these are not only completely unenforceable, but serve as albatrosses to the patentees attempting to assert them.

    I blame these patents on four factors:

    • USPTO: Horrific ineptitude in examining even the most obviously (in the conventional sense) non-novel inventions.
    • Patentees: A fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of acquiring a patent, and the ramifications (legal, business, and PR) of asserting it against competitors.
    • Patent prosecutors: A lack of technical skill in software (far too many software patents are prosecuted by EEs who view software as just another circuit* - with poor results), and/or a reprehensible willingness to prosecute such patents. (Indeed, one wonders how filing a patent on "double-clicking application buttons" complies with the patent attorney's ethical obligation of candor before the USPTO.)
    • The simple fact that the field of software patents, in reality, is only six years old - the landmark court ruling that compelled the USPTO to issue software patents en masse issued in 1998. The USPTO has not had the time or resources to adjust, e.g., to hire an army of examiners skilled in the software arts and to build up a technical reference library.

    While these patents are a collective debacle for the USPTO, the premise that software should constitute patentable subject matter is generally well-settled among the legal community (though, of course, the /. community has its own views.) I present the textbook example of an elegant, useful software invention worthy of patent protection: RSA - the public-key system that permits relatively effortless secured communication via one-way encryption.

    There is a silver lining to this story. If you go back 30-40 years, you will see a host of complaints about these new-fangled patents on biotechnology - many claims that allowing inventors to patent novel organisms, gene sequences, proteins, and research techniques posed a horrific threat to biotech research and product development. These claims assumed the same basis as many of today's complaints against software patents: examiners were hopelessly lacking in technical skill in these areas; the subject matter qualitatively differed from conventionally patentable fields of art; a 17-year monopoly (pre-1995) represented a calamity to rapidly-evolving technology and typically-cooperative research. History has shown that those fears were hugely outweighed by the overall benefits of biotech patents - as evidenced by a thousand, wonderfully effective therapies and drugs (many of which, like prozak, are now expired, transferring the technology to the public domain.) Biotechnology and medicine are experiencing a huge upsurge in the pace of technical development - thanks in large measure to the willingness of corporations to invest in (potentially patentable) biotech R&D.

    I posit that the software arts will experience a similar upsurge in innovation in short order, directly related to the allowance of software patents. The boondoggles that make for provocative /. headlines are the regrettable consequence of an unplanned transition, which time will remedy. These awful patents will expire - and, indeed, will serve as documented prior art for future corps of examiners to assert against future idiot patentees. It will simply take time to gear up the system.

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  5. Bio Tech Patents Have Plenty Of Problems by rben · · Score: 4, Insightful
    There is a silver lining to this story. If you go back 30-40 years, you will see a host of complaints about these new-fangled patents on biotechnology - many claims that allowing inventors to patent novel organisms, gene sequences, proteins, and research techniques posed a horrific threat to biotech research and product development. These claims assumed the same basis as many of today's complaints against software patents: examiners were hopelessly lacking in technical skill in these areas; the subject matter qualitatively differed from conventionally patentable fields of art; a 17-year monopoly (pre-1995) represented a calamity to rapidly-evolving technology and typically-cooperative research. History has shown that those fears were hugely outweighed by the overall benefits of biotech patents - as evidenced by a thousand, wonderfully effective therapies and drugs (many of which, like prozak, are now expired, transferring the technology to the public domain.) Biotechnology and medicine are experiencing a huge upsurge in the pace of technical development - thanks in large measure to the willingness of corporations to invest in (potentially patentable) biotech R&D.

    There are extensive problems with allowing companies and individuals to patent biotechnology and there is little evidence to suggest that all the patents were necessary.

    The genetic information within natural organisms should be part of the common property shared among everyone. Allowing some individual to claim ownership of the genetic code of a natural organism is obviously absurd.

    Corporations have been rapidly patenting genetic information from crops that have been developed over thousands of years by indigenous populations in third-world countries. The thousands of years of cultivation apparently entitles those people to nothing, while using an automated machine to decode the genetic code entitles the corporation to ownership of the genetic code of the plant? How is this reasonable or equitable? These patents are robbing people in third world countries.

    The explosion of development in bio-technology has more to do with the available technology and automation than allowing patents on natural organisms. There is plenty of profit to be made in developing medicines from natural genetic codes without granting ownership of those codes to corporations. Rightfully, the ownership of the genetic information should be held in common trust. There is nothing to stop businesses from patenting and profiting from treatments and therapies developed from that knowledge.

    It seems that the current trend in the U.S. is to rush to grant ownership of everything, including knowledge, to some single individual or corporation. This headlong rush is being done largely without regard to the consequences of eliminating the public commons and the benefits which it provides. All knowledge and progress builds on what came before. If there is a price tag on every bit of knowledge, it won't be long before progress in the sciences slows dramatically.

    There is nothing wrong with the idea of patents for novel inventions. I think it is an appropriate way to reward and spur invention. We need to make sure, though, that it's invention that we are rewarding and not political lobbying skills.

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  6. Re:What, again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I blame these patents on four factors

    How about factor #5: patent attorneys who help file bad patents to collect their fee, rather than talking their clients out of a bad idea (and thus making less money).

    too often, such inventions are claimed as [hardware + software]

    It's my understanding that, at least historically, this was a requirement of the USPTO. You could not patent a naked, abstract, algorithm or method. It had to be embodied in some particular device, hearkening back to the days when you had to submit a working model of your invention to the patent examiner. Thus, patents were written to apply to whole system, rather than just the software. And, as you know, the legal system is very conservative. Once you find the textual formula that results in successfully defended patents, no one ever dares change it.

  7. Re:What, again? by tambo · · Score: 2, Insightful
    How about factor #5: patent attorneys who help file bad patents to collect their fee, rather than talking their clients out of a bad idea (and thus making less money).

    Yes, I wonder about the ethical implications of patent attorneys filing bogus patents like this, as it strongly appears to violate their ethical obligations (both to the client, and to the USPTO.)

    It's my understanding that, at least historically, this was a requirement of the USPTO. You could not patent a naked, abstract, algorithm or method.

    True, but that requirement was pointedly confronted and dismissed by State Street Bank (the case leading to the 1998 ruling that the USPTO must issue software patents.) Previously, in order to stem a flood of software patent apps that couldn't be handled effecively, the USPTO and federal courts conjured up imaginary reasons for denying them. For instance, the patent had to have a "real-world impact" or rely on "real-world inputs."

    All of these requirements - including the embodiment requirement - are anachronisms. They should not appear in any software patent application filed in the past five years.

    - David Stein

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