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Parties Behind Eolas Patent Reexam Revealed

theodp writes "While news accounts credited Tim Berners-Lee's mighty pen with triggering the USPTO reexam of the Eolas plug-in patent that could negate a $520+ million judgment against Microsoft, newly released USPTO interview notes suggest the reexam may owe more to an alliance of tech giants who appear to have quietly advanced the same arguments to the USPTO weeks prior to Berners-Lee." See also some previous coverage of the Eolas patent circus, and more below about the USPTO reexam.

theodp continues "According to a 4-27 Interview Summary, the USPTO presented Eolas with a 10-14 letter signed by in-house counsel from Microsoft, AOL and Macromedia, a 10-15 letter from Adobe, and a 10-22 letter from the law firm of Sidley Austin (aka Microsoft's lawyers) in connection with its proposed rejection of Eolas' patent claims. All predated the 10-24 letter from the W3C's counsel as well as Berners-Lee's widely-publicized 10-28 letter, which seems unlikely to have prompted the USPTO's detailed 10-30 Reexam Order. The W3C has repeatedly had no comment when asked if the 'newly cited art' provided in its 10-24 filing had already been supplied earlier to the USPTO by others. UPDATE: In response, the W3C's Danny Weitzner points out that the preceding words are mine and should not be confused with those of a distinguished journalist."

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  1. What, again? by agoatley · · Score: 5, Funny

    What, you mean that there's more than one patent the USPTO has wrongly green-lighted?
    -Ashton

    1. Re:What, again? by tambo · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I'm a patent attorney who plans to build a career out of prosecuting software patents. I'm also halfway through earning an MCIS and several MCP certifications.

      So I think that I'm well-positioned to state that awful software patents are bad for everyone - including the patentee.

      Eolas is only the latest example in this stream of patents that should never have been filed, let alone examined and issued. Microsoft's double-click patent, Amazon's 1-Click patent, Yahoo's patent for an Internet search engine - these are not only completely unenforceable, but serve as albatrosses to the patentees attempting to assert them.

      I blame these patents on four factors:

      • USPTO: Horrific ineptitude in examining even the most obviously (in the conventional sense) non-novel inventions.
      • Patentees: A fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of acquiring a patent, and the ramifications (legal, business, and PR) of asserting it against competitors.
      • Patent prosecutors: A lack of technical skill in software (far too many software patents are prosecuted by EEs who view software as just another circuit* - with poor results), and/or a reprehensible willingness to prosecute such patents. (Indeed, one wonders how filing a patent on "double-clicking application buttons" complies with the patent attorney's ethical obligation of candor before the USPTO.)
      • The simple fact that the field of software patents, in reality, is only six years old - the landmark court ruling that compelled the USPTO to issue software patents en masse issued in 1998. The USPTO has not had the time or resources to adjust, e.g., to hire an army of examiners skilled in the software arts and to build up a technical reference library.

      While these patents are a collective debacle for the USPTO, the premise that software should constitute patentable subject matter is generally well-settled among the legal community (though, of course, the /. community has its own views.) I present the textbook example of an elegant, useful software invention worthy of patent protection: RSA - the public-key system that permits relatively effortless secured communication via one-way encryption.

      There is a silver lining to this story. If you go back 30-40 years, you will see a host of complaints about these new-fangled patents on biotechnology - many claims that allowing inventors to patent novel organisms, gene sequences, proteins, and research techniques posed a horrific threat to biotech research and product development. These claims assumed the same basis as many of today's complaints against software patents: examiners were hopelessly lacking in technical skill in these areas; the subject matter qualitatively differed from conventionally patentable fields of art; a 17-year monopoly (pre-1995) represented a calamity to rapidly-evolving technology and typically-cooperative research. History has shown that those fears were hugely outweighed by the overall benefits of biotech patents - as evidenced by a thousand, wonderfully effective therapies and drugs (many of which, like prozak, are now expired, transferring the technology to the public domain.) Biotechnology and medicine are experiencing a huge upsurge in the pace of technical development - thanks in large measure to the willingness of corporations to invest in (potentially patentable) biotech R&D.

      I posit that the software arts will experience a similar upsurge in innovation in short order, directly related to the allowance of software patents. The boondoggles that make for provocative /. headlines are the regrettable consequence of an unplanned transition, which time will remedy. These awful patents will expire - and, indeed, will serve as documented prior art for future corps of examiners to assert against future idiot patentees. It will simply take time to gear up the system.

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  2. This is good but... by LibrePensador · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If this kind of web-neighbor due diligence was carried out more often, we would not see all these spurious software patents being issued.

    Why don't we create an industry funded board whose job is to make sure that silly software patents are no longer awarded? Oh wait... The industry only dislikes SOME software patents, while anyone who cares to look will see that all software patents threaten innovation and are largely anti-competitive because they rig the game in favor of big corporations.

    Unfortunately, software patents have become the last hurdle that the proprietary world can throw at the free software movement.

    Moglen and Lessig are both very persuasive (If you got a bit of free time, read "Free Culture" by the latter) I hope that upon hearing their arguments European Commission will be wise enough to reconsider its position on software patents.

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    1. Re:This is good but... by torpor · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why don't we create an industry funded board whose job is to make sure that silly software patents are no longer awarded

      I asked the same question a few days ago on another /. story about patents, and was referred to PubPat...

      If only people knew more about these things, and cared about them. As a developer, I despise the fact that the obvious things that I may design/develop to assist my fellow man in using my software have become 'owned' by someone else in order that they may profit.

      Patents suck. Period.

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    2. Re:This is good but... by Groote+Ka · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The industry only dislikes SOME software patents, while anyone who cares to look will see that all software patents threaten innovation and are largely anti-competitive because they rig the game in favor of big corporations.

      I do not entirely agree with you. Minor companies can play that game as well and perhaps even better. When a minor company has a patent on a groundbreaking (or little less) invention, it can be a major pain in the *rse of a big company(with a proper sponsoring for the small one, ok), especially when that small company has no product portfolio to which the big company can assert its patents.

      Just think about Intertrust vs. Microsoft (settled out of court).

      With respect to the part of your story with which I might (yeah, I'm a legal techie) agree: When major companies block the small ones from sales + development of certain software and bind them with strangling contracts (give us all your IP or we will break your back with our IP), yes, patents are not very good things and will surely suffocate innovation.

      But at long as licenses are available under reasonable and non-discriminatory (RAND) terms, I do not see any problems.

    3. Re:This is good but... by kcbrown · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Moglen and Lessig are both very persuasive (If you got a bit of free time, read "Free Culture" by the latter) I hope that upon hearing their arguments European Commission will be wise enough to reconsider its position on software patents.

      No amount of eloquence or quality of argument is as persuasive as a sufficiently large wad of cash (even if said wad of cash is used indirectly). This is why the EU Commission will, in the end, not listen to Moglen and Lessig, and will instead listen to Microsoft and the other multinational corporations.

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    4. Re:This is good but... by Halo1 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I do not entirely agree with you. Minor companies can play that game as well and perhaps even better. When a minor company has a patent on a groundbreaking (or little less) invention, it can be a major pain in the *rse of a big company(with a proper sponsoring for the small one, ok), especially when that small company has no product portfolio to which the big company can assert its patents.
      Not just especially, but only if the small company has no product portfolio. In other words, if the small company is a patent parasite, which contributes virtually nothing useful to society (name one software company that turns to the patent database to find new ideas for stuff to put in its applications)...

      All it does is sue the companies which do contribute something useful to the economy (a product that can be sold and which people can use). Yes, it's a great way to make money, and in the end it's those big companies who always argued for unlimited patentability who are now on the wrong end of the stick, because some smart people simply optimized their business model to maximise their profit in the system created by the patent junkies.

      So now the big companies start whining and complaining, accusing those parasites of being "patent trolls" and play the innocent third party harmed by the bad practice of the USPTO... While it's the fault of their own patent trolls (IP lawyers who wanted more influence in the company) it came to this in the first place.

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  3. half-backed, recycled and slopped up to the USPO by falsemover · · Score: 5, Interesting

    let's face it; software patenting is a rich boys club; or another manifestation of the motto "the one with the most money wins". There are thousands of patents like this; scads of unoriginal montages of half-baked and recycled ideas, cleverly disguised and slopped up to the USPO, and approved, cha ching.
    It takes this kind of outrage and political pressure to get one patent reviewed. What chance does the small software company have protecting itself against patents with a lineage of prior art? It's also a positive feedback system; patents breed patents, just look at the crazy exponential explosion of USPO patents over the last five years. And sitting in the middle of the web is the black widow, the USPO, raking in the fees while spending precious little fix the spiraling problem. Once practical answer: maybe register your software company in the Cayman Islands or Vanuatu, or some other such place and take your international profits offshore. Better defensive legal system; and better protection against the system fueled by common-revenue-oriented legislation and wayward lawyers.

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  4. Prior art. by ScouseMouse · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I vaiguely remember that the Amiga OS 3 had an application called Multiview which allowed extensible embedded viewing of almost everything with the correct plugins (Called datatypes if I remember correctly). I dunno if this is the same thing though, but i think it predates the Web completely (Although only by a year or two). Hmm, have to dig out my old Amiga and check.

  5. Opposition? by Groote+Ka · · Score: 4, Interesting
    One of the most important conclusions I draw from this issue that it is time for a proper inter partes opposition procedure as available in - among others - Europe and Japan.

    After grant of a patent, any person (in Europe, this does not include the patent proprietor) can challenge the granted patent with all prior art available. And this person is party to the proceedings; the European Patent Office coordinates the procedure and judges it.
    Remark to be made here is that in first instance, the EPO is not very willing to revoke a patent (the examiner of the grant procedure is in the opposition division as well), but appeal may be a good remedy.

    I heard that the US patent law may be amended to allow inter partes proceedings for invalidation/re-examination. Any news on that?

  6. So, Big Business will make it all better? by EasyTarget · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Humm, The BBC had a article related to this too, Here, and it scared me since the companies that are lobbying for changes to the Patent regieme are all the existing 'effective monopolies', MS, Cisco, Ebay, etc..

    I don't think a patent system re-written by Big-Business is going to be good for anyone other than Big-Business.

    The more I think about this, the more I fail to see any answer, only problems. How can a patent system protect the genuinely innovative little guys, whilst preventing the abuses the Big Business will practice in order to protect their market share?

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  7. Re:half-backed, recycled and slopped up to the USP by SquarePants · · Score: 4, Informative

    It doesn't take "outrage and political pressure" to get a patent reviewed. If you know of invalidating prior art it is fairly simple to request a re-examination. It is also fairly inexpensive if you choose to request reexamination inter partes since it involves only filing a single paper.

    But you do have to do some research. Something which most people here are unwilling to do for any purpose other than to rant about the USPTO's inadequacies.

  8. Madness absolute Madness by blackest_k · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Someone once said something along the lines that it was only because they had stood on the shoulders of giants that they had achieved so much.

    Perhaps the only fair solution is to limit patients to a maximum life of 2 years, and why not do the same for copyright too?

    Ok I see the point if you invent create something unique that people are prepared to pay for then you should be entitled to some reward and a patient/ copyright gives you exclusive rights for a time and the opportunity to make some money by granting you a monopoly on this but for how long should independent development be halted?

    very rarely if at all does something come without development using somebody elses work and idea's.

    This Post is unique and the words I choose and the order I place them is mine alone. However they start with the basis of an article on slashdot, using technology that was developed by somebody else. If I had to pay for everything i did that used somebody elses work in someway or had to check to see who's copyrights i might be infringing I wouldn't be able to do anything and niether could you!

    If we want the computer industry to stagnate then lets continue the madness and copyright and patent everything and why stop there.

    Short limited life patents and copyrights seem to be the only sensible solution.

  9. Bio Tech Patents Have Plenty Of Problems by rben · · Score: 4, Insightful
    There is a silver lining to this story. If you go back 30-40 years, you will see a host of complaints about these new-fangled patents on biotechnology - many claims that allowing inventors to patent novel organisms, gene sequences, proteins, and research techniques posed a horrific threat to biotech research and product development. These claims assumed the same basis as many of today's complaints against software patents: examiners were hopelessly lacking in technical skill in these areas; the subject matter qualitatively differed from conventionally patentable fields of art; a 17-year monopoly (pre-1995) represented a calamity to rapidly-evolving technology and typically-cooperative research. History has shown that those fears were hugely outweighed by the overall benefits of biotech patents - as evidenced by a thousand, wonderfully effective therapies and drugs (many of which, like prozak, are now expired, transferring the technology to the public domain.) Biotechnology and medicine are experiencing a huge upsurge in the pace of technical development - thanks in large measure to the willingness of corporations to invest in (potentially patentable) biotech R&D.

    There are extensive problems with allowing companies and individuals to patent biotechnology and there is little evidence to suggest that all the patents were necessary.

    The genetic information within natural organisms should be part of the common property shared among everyone. Allowing some individual to claim ownership of the genetic code of a natural organism is obviously absurd.

    Corporations have been rapidly patenting genetic information from crops that have been developed over thousands of years by indigenous populations in third-world countries. The thousands of years of cultivation apparently entitles those people to nothing, while using an automated machine to decode the genetic code entitles the corporation to ownership of the genetic code of the plant? How is this reasonable or equitable? These patents are robbing people in third world countries.

    The explosion of development in bio-technology has more to do with the available technology and automation than allowing patents on natural organisms. There is plenty of profit to be made in developing medicines from natural genetic codes without granting ownership of those codes to corporations. Rightfully, the ownership of the genetic information should be held in common trust. There is nothing to stop businesses from patenting and profiting from treatments and therapies developed from that knowledge.

    It seems that the current trend in the U.S. is to rush to grant ownership of everything, including knowledge, to some single individual or corporation. This headlong rush is being done largely without regard to the consequences of eliminating the public commons and the benefits which it provides. All knowledge and progress builds on what came before. If there is a price tag on every bit of knowledge, it won't be long before progress in the sciences slows dramatically.

    There is nothing wrong with the idea of patents for novel inventions. I think it is an appropriate way to reward and spur invention. We need to make sure, though, that it's invention that we are rewarding and not political lobbying skills.

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