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Webmasters Pounce On Wiki Sandboxes

Yacoubean writes "Wiki sandboxes are normally used to learn the syntax of wiki posts. But webmasters may soon deluge these handy tools with links back to their site, not to get clicks, but to increase Google page rank. One such webmaster recently demonstrated this successfully. Isn't it time for Google finally to put some work into refining their results to exclude tricks like this? I know all the bloggers and wiki maintainers would sure appreciate it."

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  1. Why just wikis? by GillBates0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why not normal discussion boards and blogs? We, for one, saw how the SCO joke (litigious b'turds) managed to GoogleBomb SCO in first place without a problem.

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  2. Yes... PLEASE... by Paulrothrock · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Google needs to do something about this. I had to turn off comments on my blog because all I was getting was spam. Two or three a day that I had to go in and delete. I have to now find a system that will keep the bots out.

    What happened to the nice internet we had in 1996?

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  3. Who's fault is that? by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Google's algorithm isn't the problem. The problem is the availability of easily abused areas such as these "sandboxes."

    Some search engines accept any old site. Others accept sites based on human approval and categorization. Google is a nice combination of the two - by using outside references (counting how often the site is linked) it assumes that the site is more relevant. Because other people have put links on their sites. That's a human factor, without directly using human beings to review and categorize the sites and rankings.

    Sure it can be abused, but it's not Google's fault; perhaps these areas of abuse (blogs, wikis, etc.) should address the problems from their end.

  4. ROBOTS.TXT by gtrubetskoy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The burden is not on Google, but on Wiki sandbox admins, who should provide proper ROBOTS.TXT files to inform Google that this content should not be indexed.

    As a sidenote, I think that with recent Wiki abuse, the issue of open wikis will become a similar one to open proxies and mail relays.

  5. Well, it's about time this gets some attention by digitalgimpus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've noticed that my blog's getting lots of spam from sites that don't seem like typical spam sites....

    From what I can see, it looks like those "search ranking professionals" who "guarantee to raise your google rank in 30 days" are using blog spamming, and perhaps Wiki Spamming as a way to increase their clients ratings.

    It's not about meta tags, or submitting anymore... it's spamming.

    Perhaps it's time for people to finally be warry of these services. After all, can a third party really guarantee a position in another companies search index?

    IMHO those services are pure evil. They either do nothing, or they do something to increase page rank... what is that "something"? How many options do they have?

    If they are going to use my blog... why can't I get a cut in that business?

    1. Re:Well, it's about time this gets some attention by Lurker+McLurker · · Score: 4, Insightful
      IMHO those services are pure evil.
      No, 9/11 was pure evil, some unwanted comments on a blog is an annoyance. If you have a website that allows anyone to post comments, you will get some you don't like. That's life.
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  6. Re:You know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    that button will also get spammed, as bots will click 'yes' for their sites and 'no' for the competitors sites

  7. Tomorrow today yesterday by boa13 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But webmasters may soon deluge these handy tools with links back to their site, not to get clicks, but to increase Google page rank.

    The Arch Wiki has sufferred several times from such vandals in the past few months. I'm sure other wikis have, too. They create links over single spaces or dots, so that casual readers don't notice them. Attentively watching the RecentChanges page is the most effective way to find and fight them, but this is tiresome. I guess many wikis will require posters to be authenticated soon, which is a blow in the wiki ideal, but not such a major blow. Alternatively, maybe someone will develop heuristics to fight the most common abuses (e.g. external link over a single space).

    So, this is not new, but this is now news.

  8. Re:visual security code for sign-up by stevey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There was a story about defeating this system on /. a while back.

    Rather than using OCR or anything poeople would merely harvest a load of images from a signup site - possible when there are only a given number of finite images, or when there is a consistent naming policy.

    Then once the images were collected they would merely setup an online porn site, asking people to join for free proving they were human by decoding the very images they had downloaded.

    Human lust for porn meant that they could decode a large number of these images in a very short space of time, then return and mount a dictionary attack...

    Quite clever really, sidestepping all the tricky obfuscation/OCR problems by tricking humans into doing their work for them ..

  9. Re:Grow up by maxwell+demon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, why not link SCO to something the reader gets real value from? Some page where they can learn something about SCO? After all, since those pages indeed tell something about SCO and therefore contain the word SCO, it should even be more effective.

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