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What Keeps You Off of Windows?

J. J. Ramsey asks: "schnell has already asked the question What's Keeping You On Windows? It seems only fair to ask the opposite question. For those of you who have elected to not use Windows, what keeps you away from it? Concerns about stability? Security? Dislike of Microsoft's business practices? Or are you simply a fan of your chosen platform and just don't care about Windows one way or the other?" Might recent events sway your decision to keep Microsoft's premier software offering off of your computer?

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  1. I live without Windows by Quebec · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What keeps me off Windows is mainly because I don't want to be
    locked-up in some savage immoral decommoditizing scheme.

    The practice of scrambling and obfuscating the standards to insure
    the failure of the competition is so much a threat to my eyes that
    losing some compatibility and some discutable features for not dealing
    with this is more then acceptable.

    Death to close source, death to DRMs, long live the Open Source.

    1. Re:I live without Windows by John+Courtland · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The goal of any business is to profit. Not to make the competition fail through shady practices. If the competition fails because you made such a good product, that's one story. If they fail because you illegally cornered the market using underhanded licensing tactics, that's another all together.

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    2. Re:I live without Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
      • Being able to do a network boot (fully diskless workstation) served from a RAIDed fileserver over a gigabit LAN
      • Being able to tweak the system beyond belief
      • Having everything 'just work' once it's set up
      • My work environment is in Linux as well

      Notice that I haven't said anything about cost. In fact, I probably spend more per year on distro stuff than I would if using Windows.

      For many of us, Windows can't do what's required.

    3. Re:I live without Windows by Phillup · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sounds to me like you can't tell the difference between morality and legality.

      They are not the same.

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    4. Re:I live without Windows by shaitand · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You might have missed it, the law said what Microsoft is doing is illegal.

      Surely nobody would question it's immoral.

  2. Quick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Someone mod this article flamebait!

  3. The price is the sticking point by Wellmont · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The price, almost absolutely the price....it is just to expensive to keep up with windows releases for a college student. Microsoft is really doing a disservice by selling software for hundreds of dollars and sometimes even thousands.

  4. Control by Khazunga · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Thinking about it, the word Control sums it up. I keep on Linux, because I know what the system is doing, why it is doing it, and I can fix it if my setup doesn't behave. Every one of my windows boxes degrades over time, and I have no idea why. Before I switched, I'd love the feel of a freshly installed windows box: snappy, clean, everything in place. Now, my linux install keeps on and on feeling like the day I installed it: fast, predictable, secure.

    So, I keep on Linux, because I like retaining control over my computer.

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  5. I'm easy by veg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I like an easy life. Free from Application errors, licence numbers, bugfix delays, unexplained crashes and unpredictability. Linux, BSD, Darwin and Inferno behave as they should, as one would expect, and according to the manual. If they don't, then it's a bug and it gets fixed.
    I like knowing my systems are going to stay up, and if they should ever fail, which in general they don't, I'd like to know they'll be fixed asap without me having to take the blame and pay.

    Open source makes the world a better place.

  6. Well, I'll give an honest answer by digitalgimpus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My reasons:

    - Slow bloated feel
    - Awkward UI
    - Buggy
    - Insecure, always virus concerns
    - Expensive
    - Everything takes 10 clicks.

    Mac OS X showed me how great an OS can feel
    - Smooth slim feel
    - UI feels right (can't explain it much better than that)
    - never crashed
    - software update is nice and elequent, pretty secure.
    - inexpensive ($129 isn't to bad)
    - minimal clicks.

    Overall: Higher quality, gets my vote every time. Windows is just an inferior product.

  7. Hate Pirating by magictongue · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would say that I'm cheap (or perhaps I just hate wasting money) and I don't believe in pirating software. Most people that I know who are loyally committed to Windows pirate a great deal of their software. It bothers me that someone would dismiss Linux and praise Windows but will not pay for Windows or Windows apps. Also, if a "free" application is just as good as a "non free" application its logical to pick the free version. Even when the "free' version is not as good it still makes sense to pick it if it meets your needs. Let face it, I eat more ground beef than filet mignon even though the filet mignon is better. It is simple economic logic. I bet if someone could end all pirating of software it would not be long before the majority of people where using Linux.

  8. Re:I'm cheap... by cshark · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I prefer Linux because I can do more with it.

    I like KDE better than Windows XP. It's a better desktop with more features that are easier to tweak and fix if something goes wrong.

    I'm starting to play with XFCE. I like that too.

    The command line actually has real unadulterated power under Linux!

    I like the fact that there isn't a central monolithic registry that can take the entire system down.

    I prefer Mozilla to IE. Always have.

    My kids like the games that come with KDE and GNOME. They're colorful and fun, and they whine when I tell them they have to use the XP box in the other room for homework.

    I like the fact that my nine year old can't break it... no matter how hard she tries...

    I like the fact that my wife can't install software on my desktop when she's not logged in as me.

    I like Linux because I never have to worry about the status of my license, or installing it on multiple machines.

    I like the fact that I can set up a grid or a series of thin clients throughout my house without much real work.

    I like the fact that my internet connection is faster under Linux than it was under Windows XP. It's a real kick. If you have both running side by side, try comparing them sometime.

    It's nice that Linux will run (granted with a little work) on my prehistoric 486dx2.

    It's nice that Linux doesn't have 19 system processes that report to the Microsoft mother-ship for no good reason at all, that can't be turned off.

    It's nice that there's so much useful documentation on Linux out there. No matter what problem I'm having, the Linux community has documented just about everything incredibly well. And they never ask how helpful they were when they were no help at all. That's nice too.

    Linus is slightly less evil than Gates.

    And the fact that it's free, or at least mostly free doesn't hurt either.

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  9. Re:One thing by txviking · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What keeps me off Windows ?

    The fact that I have no idea what kind of trojan horse of timebomb windows might be. In a world of open network, I have the feeling that it is my ethical obligation to know what my computer is running. And if I am unable to check that out myself, that there are independant experts that can check it out.

    I believe it is too easy to trust one corporation. We don't even do that with governments. There are checks and balances, separation of powers etc. Where are the separation of powers and checks and balances concerning Windows ?

    I believe in self-determinism. In my own decision when to upgrade my hardware (not because some software has an exploit and it is not fixed anymore, and the new version does not run on it). I believe in self-determination without a nanny that needs to be informed when I change my hardware configuration. I believe it is nobody's business, to put cpu-ids in my text-documents.

    I believe in ownership. I believe it is my right to own what I buy. To sell what I own, and to fix it when it is broken, or to go to an independent garage to fix my software instead of the manufacture from where I bought it from

    I believe in my right of protection from illegal search and seizure. I do not think anybody needs to know what my hardware is, or what software I have on my machine when I put in a patch.

    I believe in the freedom of speech. I do not believe it is anybody's right to forsake my ownership of something that I bought and paid for, because I use it as a tool to opine something that is not liked by somebody else who in return can legally use the EULA to revoke my right of ownership for what I have paid for.

    I believe in the right to use my possesion to make a profit in my business endeavors. I do not think that if I buy something, I can not rent it out for money.

    This are only 7 of many issues that I have with Windows. I don't care if Windows would be the best product in the world, far ahead of anything else. I would have an issue with what I have to sell of my soul (or rights) to enjoy it. I am very happy, that I have a choice and can choose to use something else that does not deny my inalienable rights that are dear to me

    However, like with lots of things, this is my choice, and I would fight for the freedom of others to choose differently while I hope they would stand by me in the same way to fight for my freedom of choice in this issue

  10. Re:Mac OS X - quality which Microsoft can never ma by dasmegabyte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, what ticks me off is that Windows makes it easier to unplug a device incorrectly than it does to do so correctly.

    On Windows, if I want to eject my iPod or my camera, I have to click unplug device. Then I have to click the device i want to unplug. Then I have to select the device. Then it tells me I'll also be turning off the filesystem on the drive (duh). Then is asks if I'm sure. Then it tells me it ejected okay.

    That's 4 windows opened. If I just pull the cable, I only get one window. Guess which one I do?

    On Mac OSX, if I jack the plug on my iPod or my camera, I get a single message telling me I did something stupid and probably screwed my file system (whcih, on the camera, i probably did). If I drag it to the trash, or click the eject button over the volume in the finder, and i'm not using a file on the drive, it ejects and doesn't even give me a window. It becomes LESS of a hassle to do it right!

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  11. Re:One thing by Phillup · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My main win2k install was actualy done in 2000. None of my other machines have ever been reinstalled, and they've been running fine.

    Congratulations. Not everyone is so blessed.

    What keeps me from running Windows?

    When I turn it on, I wonder if it will actually boot.

    When I turn it off, I wonder if it will actually shutdown.

    In between the two, I wonder what the hell it is doing.

    Simple... I want my computer to do what *I* tell it.

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    --Phillip

    Can you say BIRTH TAX
  12. Far more to it than that by AllenChristopher · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Competition also opens up new markets. The whole online music thing was really kicked off by Apple, right? There were others first, but Apple made it a daily reality.

    If Microsoft had CRUSHED Apple years ago, that wide-open market wouldn't be there for Microsoft to grab... they'd have to have thought of it themselves, implemented it, gotten it to sell.

    The advantage of competitors is that your competitors do some of the foot-work for you, take some of the risks for you. What you want to do is wait until the copmetitor has made a new product work, then beat their product.

    Of course, that's what Microsoft is so good at...

  13. Wrong question? by john82 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Rather than ask amongst Slashdot users "What keeps you off of Windows?", perhaps we should ask the rest of the computing public a much more interesting question.

    What keeps you off of Linux?

    The first question merely allows us to puff out our collective chests and bleat for the rest of the assmbled throng. Then we nod appreciatively at our confirmation of the "obvious". Tell it brother!

    But why don't more people use Linux or BSD (and their collective assortment of redheaded step-children)? What aren't we doing right that there isn't greater acknowlegement of the beneifts outlined in countless posts here. The question is not that far removed from the ease with which some snake oil salesman from the land of de Tocqueville is able to con the masses about Linux and Open Source.

    Open Source and Linux need a really good PR guru that can get our voice heard. A few shouts in the wilderness ain't doing the job.

    Then again, maybe we need to spend more time on improving this mouse trap so the world will beat a path to our door.

    1. Re:Wrong question? by SplendidIsolatn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What keeps me off Linux, I'll tell you, and no, I'm not trying to put this off as flamebait.

      I have been a computer geek type since I was old enough to sit and type. I have been working with computers for over 20 years in one fashion or another, so while I might not be a guru on them, I know what I'm doing. So when I built my own computer in the fall of 2002, I decided to install Mandrake Linux (what was available at the store) to give it a whirl. Biggest mistake I ever made.

      First off, the 'easy' installation took me hours to do, then it decided to keep freezing once I got it running. Then one thing stopped working after another, and I was spending more time trying to figure out what was wrong than spending time using my computer. I deleted the installation, put Windows XP home on the PC, firewall, anti-spyware, hell, I'll even download firefox or something. My windows PC WORKS FOR ME AND DOES WHAT I NEED IT TO DO. Nothing anyone could say about Linux after my experience with Mandrake will change that. I have a working PC that maybe crashes once a month. I can live with that and buying WinXP rather than spending hours cruising through message boards to figure out why my modem drivers weren't working correctly (and yes, I had to do that)

      In short, Linux might be right for some people. For me and what I wanted, it was wrong, and I don't plan on going back. To the Linux zealots (not Linux users), add up the amount of time that you've spent having to 'tweak' something that you wouldn't have to do in Windows (and downloading patches doesn't count -- I do that while reading Slashdot). Multiply those hours by whatever dollar emount you choose and see what value you've had to spend on Linux. It's probably a lot less than an XP install.

      Sorry if this offends any Linux people, but my experience is my experience and I can't change it.

      Peace

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    2. Re:Wrong question? by debest · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're not wrong. Linux, as much as it is developing quickly (and it is, if you're feeling the urge just download a newer distro sometime and try it again), it still doesn't stand up to your criteria. You still have to hack with your system to a degree that Windows does not require.

      Your comment on the time required to tweak something is also spot on, in so far as these activities are generally rare in the Windows world. The tweaking, however, is *exactly* what most Linux users get a charge out of. Using an OS which is infinitely customizable, with dozens of options for most any type of application you can imagine, is appealing to many people (present company included).

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  14. Re:Question about article summary by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As much as some people like might to whine about the theoretical security problems of Linux, the fact still remains that it is WinDOS boxes that get rooted and turned into spam gateways.

    End users shouldn't have to be neurotic about applying security patches and they shouldn't have to fear email attachments.

    This is strictly the Microsoft engineering mentality at work.

    Fortunately, we have Linux and Apple.

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