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More on the Swedish Stealth Ship

Dr.Knackerator writes "The BBC is running a story on Sweden's new carbon fibre stealth ship, the Visby. As well as being the first stealth ship, it is controlled by 'state-of-the-art computers using a Windows NT operating system'. 'But Kockums and the Swedish Navy deny it could be sabotaged by hackers and say that even if it did they could fall back to traditional steering and navigation'." We had a previous story about this as well.

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  1. Why???? by BWJones · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it is controlled by 'state-of-the-art computers using a Windows NT operating system'. '

    First off, I am not sure I would call an NT system "state of the art". Next, I have to wonder just why folks are using a commodity platform to perform literally "mission critical" operations in a combat environment. Particularly one whose history of security is dubious at best.

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    1. Re:Why???? by shnarez · · Score: 3, Insightful
      controlled by 'state-of-the-art computers using a Windows NT operating system'
      First off, I am not sure I would call an NT system "state of the art".
      I read it as saying the COMPUTERS are top-notch state-of-the-art, but they are running some crappy OS...
    2. Re:Why???? by Krezel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're forgetting something...

      Hardware companies PAY PEOPLE to write drivers for their "state-of-the-art" hardware.

      The Linux devs were lucky if they could get technical docs, let alone support from the hardware manufacturers. Things are a bit harder when you have to reverse-engineer everything.

      Things are a lot better now, except for the video card market. The competition is so tight there that the last thing they want is an open-source driver.

  2. Not so worried about it being hacked... by Trogdorsey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd be more worried about it crashing

  3. Re:Coolest part... by mmaddox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And I would argue that the submarine is the first "stealth ship."

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  4. Probably OK by W2k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If this boat is running anything like the NT systems I used when I was in the army (the Swedish army that is) I'd say it's pretty stable and secure. Windows NT has had quite some time to mature as an operating system and has had most of its bugs fixed by now. Obviously, they won't be connecting these things to the Internet, so no need to worry about hax0rz.

    I, for one, welcome our new Swedish Navy Stealth Ship overlords.

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  5. Re:Hmmm. by SlamMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No chance they're running 2003. Its been out how long?

    MIlitary development testing takes so long, I'm vaguely surprised if its not running Windows for Workgroups.

    As an example, look how long it took to get the m-16 into production.

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  6. Re:The US has had a stealth ship since the mid-80' by Vacuum+Sux · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As your link states, the Sea Shadow is a test craft. The Visby corvette is going to be in active service in the swedish navy.

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  7. Re:I hear that... by phayes · · Score: 3, Insightful

    However, the resin used to bind the fibers is much easier to damage & burns easily giving off noxious fumes. Damage control in case of even a minor hit is going to be lots of fun...

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  8. Re:Can i ask a serious question.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    How about for tracking smugglers? This ship could follow them without showing up on the smugglers radar.

  9. Re:And now... In Swedish. by untaken_name · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's not about replicating Swedish, you bafoon. It's the Swedish Chef from dialectizer... You know, as in the FUCKING MUPPET, which did say 'und'?

    Yes, I know. He was wrong too.


    What kind of Swedish Chef impersonation would it be if he went around correcting the flaws the original had? Then, you're just impersonating some random actual Swedish guy, and that's no fun. That's like correcting grammar mistakes in movie quotes. It's not the same thing if you 'fix' it. Therefore, it logically follows that if the Swedish Chef had some errors as part of his character (and yes, he had a ton of them...that's part of what made him funny) then anyone wishing to imitate him would neccessarily imitate them as well. As an aside, Huuurdy vuuurdy hooooo.

  10. Re: why stealth? by Wanderer2 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Surely its low radar profile is useless once they switch their own radar on? itd light up like a christmas tree and every detector in theatre would lock onto it.

    Indeed. In general your own radar emissions can be detected upto twice as far away as you can detect the returns.

    However, you don't have your radar on all the time (in some cases at all) to be able to detect an enemy and fire at them.

    Imagine if both sides have airborne radar, sonar buoys and/or shore-based radar stations and their information is linked to the fleet. Perhaps both sides have scout ships that only fire off their active radar for short bursts at occasional intervals (and then sprint away to avoid getting clobbered) and the data from the returns is passed to every vessel in the fleet. In these cases it helps to be as stealthy as possible.

    Similarly, if someone fires a missile at you, it helps if the missile's radar has trouble detecting you if/when you turn your own radar off.

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