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Who's Blocking Verified E-Voting?

ClarkEvans writes "The NY Times has a great editorial today calling out the League of Women Voters for their counter-productive lobbying against verified voting. The article states that Diebold voting systems has given lots of dough to these opposition groups." There's an AP story about the issue as well.

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  1. Re:I am amazed at the apparent bias of this articl by ClarkEvans · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've written the League several times over the last few months. Their stance is not only wrong-headed, but they refuse to listen to their constituency. The NY Times article refers to a group of disabled people, ones who happen to have a great deal of influence with the LWV, who were given foundation monies from Diabold. You cannot pretend that politics is not involved here.

  2. unplublished letters to NY Times Editor by ClarkEvans · · Score: 5, Interesting

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    Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 19:41:29 -0400
    To: letters@nytimes.com
    Subject: Secure Voting Techology

    May 3rd's article "Who Hacked the Voting System?" begs the question:
    why must these complicated voting systems be all encompassing?

    Imagine a process where selecting candidates and tallying choices is
    distinct. The voter enters a booth, uses a complicated touch-screen
    machine, and emerges with a human-readable card clearly stating
    their candidate. Then, the voter walks over to a brightly lit
    election desk, feeds this card into the tallying machine, and
    deposits their card into the ballot box.

    Security is straight-forward. Voters will tell you when a
    touch-screen system make an error. This leaves the tallying machine
    to secure. Luckily, it is in plain sight and its operation is
    simple. Further, if the tally is questioned, some or all of the
    ballots can be reviewed by human eyes.

    Candidate selecting technology is complicated. Card tallying ain't.
    Let's keep them separate.

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    Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 11:19:17 -0400
    To: letters@nytimes.com
    Subject: Demand Grows to Require Paper Trails for Electronic Votes

    In the article Demand Grows to Require Paper Trails for Electronic
    Voting, published May 23, 2004, Doug Chapin from the Pew Charitable
    Trust said: "You can either build a fence around a cliff or put an
    ambulance in the valley ... The paper trail is the ambulance in the
    valley. Certifying the machines and testing them in the first place to
    make sure they are secure is the fence around the cliff."

    I think Mr. Chapin's analogy is poor, it is not an either/or, one would
    properly do both. However, if he insists with this analogy, I suggest
    Verified Voting is more analogous with the ability to ensure that the
    fence around the cliff is actually working. The only way to detect that
    a voting technology reflects voter intent is to complement touch screens
    with a simple print-out listing the canidates the voter has chosen. Then
    the voter can review their choices and stuff this print-out into the
    ballot box so random or challenge recounts can happen. Lacking this
    ability to verify voter intent, we are left with only one way to ensure
    that our democracy is working -- trust a for-profit corporation.

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    Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:09:04 -0400
    To: letters@nytimes.com
    Subject: The Disability Lobby and Voting

    I am so happy to see the NY Times call-out the League of Weoman Voters
    for their counter-productive stand; also, I can't believe that despite
    my calls, Senator Dodd has joined this nonsense.

    An optical scan solution can offer the best of both worlds. A
    disabled-persons friendly touch screen or audio-system can be used to
    generate the ballot; while the actual counting of the optical ballots
    can be done with a much simpler optical reader.

    By breaking the problem of filling-out and counting ballots, we get the
    best of both worlds; the intermediate ballot provides the paper trail.
    It is also easier to test optical scanners for compliance -- there is
    less code to review, and deterministic inputs/outputs allow testing to
    be automated. Further, since only one optical scanner is needed per
    district, and can be closely monitored. Let user-friendly voting
    machines thrive, but make sure they don't do the counting.

  3. Unfair election aspect #3 - Equal coverage by Seth+Cohn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Two obvious requirements for a fair election are that voters should have complete confidence about their ballots' being counted accurately and that everyone, including the disabled, should have access to the polls.


    There is a third requirement for fair elections, and that is balanced coverage. Forget the liberal bias, or the conservative bias, the truth in the US is that there is a 2 party bias. 3rd parties are ignored, and given short coverage in the guide of 'to be fair'.... In Europe, 3rd parties quickly gain recognition due to the mix of ballot variety (lots of parties to consider), election style (more representive focused) and the coverage they get. Here in the US, if you aren't a Republicrat, or a Demopublican, you have to fight for coverage. People with a true shot, ie enough ballots that they could win, or will likely affect the course of the election should be coveraged with EQUAL access .(No nonsense like 5% of a poll, because without coverage in the first place, you can't get 5% of a poll... and if they did cover you, odds are you WOULD get 5% or more.)

    I'm voting for Michael Badnarik Libertarian, who is also on almost all of the ballots
    and so should you, if you think Government is out of control. Kush and Berry won't change that, and you're just voting for the lesser of 2 evils.

    Vote for Good, vote Badnarik!

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  4. Why, exactly? by randyest · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Two obvious requirements for a fair election are that voters should have complete confidence about their ballots' being counted accurately and that everyone, including the disabled, should have access to the polls. It is hard to imagine advocates for those two goals fighting, but lately that seems to be what's happening.

    Yes, indeed. And even after reading every linked article I still don't understand how, exactly, that requiring paper trails for electronic voting machines could in any way impede equal access to polls (for the disabled or anyone.) A little help here -- please?

    The issue is whether electronic voting machines should provide a "paper trail" -- receipts that could be checked by voters and used in recounts. There has been a rising demand around the country for this critical safeguard, but the move to provide paper trails is being fought by a handful of influential advocates for the disabled, who complain that requiring verifiable paper records will slow the adoption of accessible electronic voting machines.

    OK, here's a stab at it -- "requiring verifiable paper records will slow the adoption of accessible electronic voting machines." But, er, why would it slow anything? And, if it does, can't we just use the "old way" (traditional polls) until the "new way" (electronic polls) is made more reliable and secure? I'll try again:

    Leaders said paperless terminals, which about 30 percent of the electorate will use in the November election, were reliable.

    Er, OK, but this is both tangential and arguable. I still don't see how requiring verifyable paper trails impedes anyone's access to the polls.

    They had "no reason to believe" computer terminals would "steal your vote," the league said officially.

    Well, there is some reason to believe that they'll make a mistake or be susceptible to fraud. See linked articles. Again, why do paper trails impede the disabled from voting? I'f I'm in the League of Women voters, it seems that, not only am I not going to get a straight answer to that, but I must support the position publicly (or at least not oppose it) -- yikes!:

    League bylaws stipulate that local chapters must act "in conformity" with the national organization's stances. Individuals who take contrary positions cannot identify themselves publicly as league members.

    League president Kay Maxwell says paperless computers, which can be equipped with headsets and programmed in multiple languages, make voting easier for the blind and illiterate, and for people who don't speak English.

    OK, most computers are "paperless." Generally, it's the printers that have the paper in them. And, in my experience, most (all?) computers may have a printer connected without much trouble. Kay seems to imply that connecting a printer will break headset or multilanguage support -- wha? I'm still confused.

    Furthermore, she said, demanding a paper trail so close to the presidential election would require hundreds of counties that have installed electronic systems to spend millions of dollars on printers, paper and technical upgrades at the last minute.

    Well, I guess they should have done a little more due dilligence before sinking time and money into an insecure voting system. Why should we all have to pay for that stupidity?

    For current members, Maxwell said, voter registration problems and dismal turnout -- particularly among minorities -- should be bigger worries than potential hackers.

    These aims are not opposing -- it's possible to address security without impeding the ability of minorities to vote. I can't even see how the issues are related. Sounds like smoke and mirrors to misdirect attention away from the payola they're taking in from Diebold. Sad, really.

    "From a voting rights perspective, we care a great deal about the openness of the system and access to the system, tha

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