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Casio's Credit Card Watch

Takuryu writes "Casio, working with Japanese credit card company, JCB, has developed a combination credit card wristwatch. Workers at the main JCB office wear the RFID tagged watches and use them for security access at the office, as well as for paying for lunch in the cafeteria. I wonder what percentage of employees they have tagged?"

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  1. Bring on the comments by Dizzle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We all know what's going to be said. The watch is easily stolen. Has been for years and years. That's what makes it so appealing to criminals. This isn't going to catch on and for good reason. The security on these devices sounds like nothing at all.

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    1. Re:Bring on the comments by lambent · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And what's the security on your regular plastic credit card? That there's a non-verifiable signature on it that most merchants never check? That sometimes, for an online sale, the merchant asks you to turn over the card and input that 3-4 number code on the back?

      If anybody ever gets physical access to your stuff, it's pretty much always game-over. Doesn't matter if it's your wallet, cc-watch, speedpass, or whatever you use.

    2. Re:Bring on the comments by AlphaPB · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The usual procedure after a theft of one's smart card is to cancel that particular card, just as one would cancel a credit card. However, since most smart cards are debit-based systems, there might not be any theft protection limit like that in regular credit cards (where the cardholder is responsible for $50, then the rest is taken care of by the company).

      Since this is a credit card watch, I suppose the credit card company would treat it as regular card. In that case, the only reason that this would be a bad idea is that it most likely won't have the cardholder's signature on it for verification purposes, making it easier for the thief to use the card. Most clerks in America don't bother to check the signature anyway, so I don't see this as much of a problem.

      The watch is easily stolen. Has been for years and years. That's what makes it so appealing to criminals.

      If you're saying that it's just easy to steal a watch that is in plain view, I'd say that it's mostly expected that people carry around wallets and cell phones, so it doesn't make a thief more likely to rob a person wearing a watch. Unless, of course, they target people wearing fancy-looking watches. In that case, the ugly plastic quartz watch in the article will have the unexpected benefit of deterring thieves.

    3. Re:Bring on the comments by zurab · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The range can be "configured" to be quite small - thus you are safe.

      No, you are not. No matter how small the range, you can still get scanned in public places like crowded buses and other transportation as well as theaters, shopping malls, events with crowded people, or even while standing in line. The difference is that a thief does not have to pick your pocket. The thing should definitely have an on/off switch; except that that's not how most, if not all, passive RFID chips work.

      The scary thing is the credit card receipt copy that the merchant keep that actually contain your number and expiry date!

      That is why most relatively new credit card processing machines do not print the credit card number (maybe only last 4 digits) or an expiry date on the receipt. Obviously, manual processing of the credit card is not as "safe."
  2. Security?? by Drooling_Sheep · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are the watches protected from simply scanning everyones as they walk past and collecting thousands of credit card numbers? Or someone could set up a series of stations throughout a mall that charge small innocuous looking charges to cars from "shell" corporations and do like they did in Office Space.

  3. Chicken and the Egg by Basehart · · Score: 4, Funny

    Who will the be the first to buy a watch with a watch I wonder?

    1. Re:Chicken and the Egg by vxvxvxvx · · Score: 3, Informative
  4. Good Concept but.... by Shivantrill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is a good concept on the surface. I know I hate having to wear my goofy security badge to gain access to our offices.
    One problem I see is privacy. I have always thought that having to key in and out of work insures security but also tracks your movements. My security badge has to be really close to the reader to register, RFID tags have more range right? So what is to stop an employer from tracking your every move. I know it sounds paranoid but some companies are really strict with breaks and things.
    The other problem I see is wearability and security.
    Security because watches are easily lost, stolen, left behind... Since there is no picture on the watch to verify the person, presumably anyone can use anyone else's.
    Wearability because as a female, I own at least 3 watches to suit my moods and clothing. With everyone having the same watch, we are one step closer to uniformity. This squelches uniqueness and creativity.

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  5. Beware by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 3, Funny

    So if your boss calls you over for a second to talk to him in the lunch room, it'll probably be because he's trying to get a free meal off of your proximity to the cashier.

    When this idea is suggested for computer password replacements I always think of my sleazy coworkers from four jobs ago who would have someone distract me near my cubicle ("Can you dig that pen out from behind the desk? It's my favorite!") while someone else uses my logged in computer.

    Grrr...

  6. Hide your money. by twitter · · Score: 3, Informative
    At first glance, this looked really dumb. Why not put the silly RFID into the ID card most corporate types are forced to wear around their necks like so many tagged cows? Sure, there's a picture of one like that on the linked article. How about people who have a sentimental attachment to their current watch? Then the brain kicked in, this is just a demo and there may be something good about RFIDs after all.

    Being able to hide your credit anywhere has an appeal. Sure, a mugger might ask for your cheap watch, but would they bother with your ink pen? Kinda cool to be able to give one your wallet without fear. Of course, in my case, the mugger will know which object has my credit. It will be the one wrapped in tin foil.

    RFIDs creep me out. Someone being able to identify me by a device in my shoes, in my car's tires, in my shirt? It's weird and the nasty part is that no one I care about will have the ability, just big dumb companies that want to milk me. Vending machines that can take my money while I walk by are more bothersome still. I have a feeling that foil liners will become very fashionable soon, but it won't really work.

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  7. Discovery Channel by Tokerat · · Score: 4, Funny


    ...the engineers are then released back into the wild so that scientists can study their movements. One day, it may lead to the discovery of just how Casio is surviving in the wild this day in age.

    /commercial break

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  8. I can't wait... by lewko · · Score: 5, Funny

    [Waving hand at RFID reader adjacent to cash register]

    Me: You will give me french fries

    Clerk: Yes, I will give you french fries...

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  9. The wristwatch has had its day... by lewko · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The article mentions one of the more popular timepieces for Japanese kids is "NTT Docomo" (their mobile phone).

    I haven't worn a watch since I last sat an exam. between my computer when I'm at my desk or PDA, phone and until recently pager when I'm not (all banned from aforesaid exam room), I always know what the time is. Indeed most of the time I don't really need to know what the time it is as my PDA will beep when I need to be somewhere. The rest of the time, who cares?

    Unless vendors can integrate existing devices into a wristwatch, I suspect its days might be numbered. Even this possibility seems unlikely as the screens and data-entry possibilities for wristwatches are somewhat limited.

    Then again... They said we'd be in the paperless office by now. I don't see the pencil on the way out.

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  10. 666 by TheLoneCabbage · · Score: 4, Funny

    When I was a teenager one of my good friends was a Christian fundamentalist. (I'm NOT) His high school would suspend anyone who purchased a pager (this was just before cell phones were ubiquitous). Their reasoning wasn't that it disrupted class or was a drug dealer thing (sheesh), but that it was the mark of the Devil. You know 666. The theory was that beepers were just the first stage in a series of moves by the DEVIL HIMSELF to accustom us to being tagged, and that eventually we would all be given the mark of the devil.

    Now I'm not about to start following his bizarre religious practices (especially since they lead him to being institutionalized), but you gotta give the wing nut some credit. We all started carrying pagers, cell phones, then GPS, and now people aren't even thinking twice when they are asked to stick a radio transceiver on their person (or in it!).

    It's like cooking a frog. Stick it in while the pan is hot and he'll just jump out. But if you turn up the heat slowly he never knows it till it's too late.

  11. I can here it now! by katchins · · Score: 3, Funny

    Honey, can I borrow your watch? I need to do some shopping!

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  12. What happened by aussie_a · · Score: 3, Insightful

    to the days when not everyone had a credit card? I abhore the concept of credit cards as they encourage people to buy things they don't have the money for. For this reason I don't like taking out loans, and if I could live life without doing so I would (unfortunately if you want to own your house it is impossible for the average person to achieve this without a loan). There are two ways to spend money: 1. Save it up and then spend it 2. Borrow then spend then repay it I prefer to do the first thing myself. After all, you're eventually going to have to pay for the thing (and possibly with interest) so why not do without for a time until you can afford it. But new technology is only favouring the second payment option with credit cards getting all this new fandangled tech, but bank cards aren't getting anything. Seems strange to me.

  13. Prior art by jayratch · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I was under the impression this has been available in America for quite some time from Timex. and Exxon.

    Granted Speedpass isn't accepted everywhere by any means but gas and nowadays many McDonalds and a few supermarkets (in certain areas.)

    The standard unit is small enough to just ditch the keychain and tuck the bead in my wallet; in fact with a bit of crazy glue I'm sure I could turn anything into a credit card of sorts. Since Mobil gives them away free (no fees, just a draw to their places) the tech must be cheap as hell- little more than an inductor/antenna and a simple IC with a serial number... it's basically less circuitry than a typical disposable camera, and far less than a digital watch.

  14. Gives a new meaning ... by InternationalCow · · Score: 3, Funny

    To being watched :)

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  15. Doesn't use RFID by line.at.infinity · · Score: 4, Informative

    It uses an embedded IC chip FeliCa by Sony, according to the actual article.

  16. And I wonder if RFID readers are DDoS'able... by SharpFang · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Imagine the day when RFID tags are so common every coke bottle has one. Now cut them off and pack, say, 1000 or more int a match box. Carry them with you at all times. A reader sends a request and gets 1000 replies. 1000 not enough? Get 10.000. I wonder how many replies the reader would be able to handle simultaneously and how efficiently the chips could jam each other.

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