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Are PDAs Simply Finished?

angkor writes "After Sony's sudden plan to discontinue the Clie and pull out of the American PDA market, many industry observers have increased their speculation about the demise of the PDA, in general. The Japanese electronics giant was defeated in the American market by increased competition and an industry-wide decline in PDA sales."

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  1. Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    People want either highly specialized mini computers (ie audio players), or they want the full power of a computer. Budget laptops don't cost significantly more than some high end PDAs, and you get a lot more flexibility.

    1. Re:Yes by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I'm not sure a laptop will ever make a reasonable replacement for a PDA given the whole PDA thing is about size and convenience.

      I think the major reason "PDAs" are dying is because virtually every cellphone on sale these days has most of the functionality PDAs are generally used for, with the exception of efficient note taking (a feature I rarely see my PDA-owning friends using in practice)

      I quoted "PDAs" in the above because in a sense, that means that cellphones are the next generation PDAs, a device you keep in your pocket, that stores your contacts, calendar, and general notes, can perform calculations, let you play games when you're bored, etc - that happens to incorporate an additional function PDAs never had, the ability to contact anyone in the world - by message or voice - in seconds.

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    2. Re:Yes by Raven42rac · · Score: 4, Interesting

      To many, flexibility doesn't matter, size and portability do. I learned this when my predictions regarding sales of the iPod mini proved false, I thought it would not sell, but it has, so much that you can't buy one.

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    3. Re:Yes by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People want either highly specialized mini computers (ie audio players), or they want the full power of a computer.

      I think this is how the PDA lost its edge. It *used* to be an inexpensive, specialized satellite device. Then feature creep came in and everyone wanted more memory, bigger screens, full color support, sound, graphics, wireless, etc., etc. If Palm started selling something akin to the original device, but at a much lower cost (say $25-$50), they would probably see sales pick up.

      The problem is that such a device would invalidate the tremendous library of existing software. Thus they need less of a true Palm Pilot and more of a new "mini-Palm" platform for the "cost-conscious". I myself love my Sony CLIE and am sad to hear of their demise, but I also bought mine on sale for $130. There's no way I'm going to spend $300-$500 on something I might lose. Not to mention the fact that my occasional (albeit useful) usage doesn't justify a high price tag.

    4. Re:Yes by kryonD · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, the same reason why our cell phones suck here compared to Japan is why it makes no difference whether you use an American cell phone or a PDA. The designed in software is crippled. Why on earth are modern PDA's still using WML or XHTML browsers when there are perfectly capable industry standard browsers that will run inside of them. NTT DoCoMo's phones were my reason for not owning a PDA in Japan because they had a hoard of web sites out there that did everything I needed to do. I could actually even reserve concert or plane tickets right from my phone's i-Mode browser. Try going to a website on the Blackberry....just plain sucks and almost no-one develops for it. Pocket-PC...miles better, but scripting for dynamic page support is unstable and there is a bug with HTML POST requests that M$ refuses to fix. I'm not even going to get started about Palm.

      I write public safety software and there will always be a market for a portable method to access information for policemen who primarily use bicycles, motorcycles or horses. But writing stuff for the current mess of devices out there just plain hurts. If the Hand held makers would just sit down and agree that their priority is to allow people access to information and all support at least HTML 3.0 standards with CSS and JScript, there would be an explosion of web services and web portals that would actually bring some value to these things. Hand helds right now are just a few steps above Linux for the desktop. Linux is doing much better for application support, but is still mostly a geek toy. At least the handhelds allow a total moron to play solitaire and keep his address book right out of the box.

      Disclaimer: For the super busy, high powered business man, being able to sync your Hand held with email and calendar functions is a service worth it's weight in gold. However, until they offer some value to the other 90% of us, the parent poster is dead right about the cell phones.

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    5. Re:Yes by bangalla · · Score: 5, Informative

      I think the major reason "PDAs" are dying is because virtually every cellphone on sale these days has most of the functionality PDAs are generally used for

      So please tell me, how do you enter the phone number/ address/ important piece of information you've just been told into your cell phone while you are talking on it?

      I'll take a small bluetooth enabled phone and a good PDA over a constrained convergant device any day.

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    6. Re:Yes by computechnica · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They do. The Palm Zire 21 is sold at Wal-Mart in a blister pack for $80 It has all the functionality of a old Palm 5. But that also brings up another point. I know alot of people at work that still use Palm 5 & 7s. They were built to last and so the market for replacements is slow. Alot of people are happy with older devices. I sold a friend my old Palm 3x because my son no longer wanted it after I gave him my old Paml M105. My current Palm is the Tungsten E ($180) and it does everything I need it to. I do also have a new Dell Inspiron 5150 gaming laptop, at 9Lbs it does not fit in my pocket the way a Palm does 8^)

    7. Re:Yes by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      nope... not the answer...

      My origional PAlm Pilot. was in heavy use until I replaced it with a Sharp Zaurus.. most peopl that use palm devices are very happy with their unit for years, which is a Deathwish for any electronics manufacturer.. the PAlm PDA was too good. it worked, the apps did not take 90Meg of space and a 4 meg palm pilot could be used quite well by even a power user and have room for gobs of data plus books in it.

      The same can NOT be said about any other PDA.

      I am sitting here with a almost worn out sharp SL5500 looking to replace it with the new 6000 upgrade... but yet my palm III from over 4 years ago is still doing it's job nicely, works great, the battery pack does not fade (AAA batteries are cheap and better than any LiIon battery made.) and it's doing things my GF thoughh you needed to buy a new PDA for.

      PalmOS is the killer Pocket OS... it doesn't obsolete the hardware at every version... and that is the problem.

      Thre last Clie from SONY is the ultimate Palm Pilot, and people that buy them dont go upgrading every year as they dont need to.

      and that is the problem.... if your product doesnt hook the customer into the "upgrade" cycle then you are doomed.

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    8. Re:Yes by bangalla · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd like to see you try your solution in a server room or in the middle of a crowd.

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    9. Re:Yes by CaptMonkeyDLuffy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      While I don't have a PDA myself, I've always wondered about the wisdom, or lack thereof, of merging phone and PDA. Both tend to be used for storing contact information, I can see that as an argument on the pro side. However, if I were using a PDA for scheduling or note taking purposes, I would think that it would be a fairly common situation to be on the phone while needing to access that functionality... A phone that's good at being a phone, a PDA that's good at being a PDA, and a well thought out scheme of data sharing between the two(as far as contact information goes, unless you want something fancy like PDA programming alarms into your phone based on your calendar...) That seems like a better solution to me. A cell phone/PDA seems like a chisel/hammer to me... Limited because it can't be both at once.

  2. Requisite default answer. by numbski · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Mobile phones with PDA-like functions are whupping the PDA's out of the market.

    Bluetooth r0xx0r j00.

    Heck, if the iPod could input calandar and contact info, I definitely wouldn't need a PDA. ;)

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    1. Re:Requisite default answer. by BladesP9 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Um.... It can. I keep all of my OS X address book contacts and my iCal information in my iPod and use this frequently when on the road. I use my iMac account to synchronize all the data from my work mac, my home mac, laptop and iPod so all of my contacts, bookmarks and calendar events go with me wherever I am. It's VERY cool!

    2. Re:Requisite default answer. by MrRTFM · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is that Mobiles cost money for just about everything you do on them - it can be hard to keep track which options are free and which ones cost 0.17c per click.

      They deliberately make it confusing so that the average Joe gets screwed into spending more money than s/he should.
      Unless the mobile companies make it completely clear (and permanent) that you can access all your info free - forever, with no hidden catches (including running out of credit / switching providers, etc) - then there will always be a market for PDA's for people who just want access to their data without worrying about paying for the privelage to get it.

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    3. Re:Requisite default answer. by Halfbaked+Plan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And there are, of course, security concerns associated with having all your personal info on a wireless-connected device.

      Me, I don't mind plopping it in the desktop stand to sync it.

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    4. Re:Requisite default answer. by Everleet · · Score: 3, Informative

      The iPod can display calendar and contact info. It has no input capability, which is what the parent wanted.

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    5. Re:Requisite default answer. by BladesP9 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Unless I'm completely missing the point of his post (which is possible because it IS early sunday morning).

      if I turn on my iPod and from the main screen select "extras" there is a "contacts" and "calendars" option there.

      Selecting contacts brings up a list of everyone in my contact list on dotMac. Selecting a person shows me (on the LCD) their name, address, phone, email.

      Same with calendars.

      Now you can't edit this data - nor can you input new data because that would require a better input interface, but you can view the data. So it's not 100% PDA functionality, but it's been handy in many situations when I needed a phone number or an address. You can even put in directions and such in the "notes" section.

      Sorry if I'm misunderstanding.

    6. Re:Requisite default answer. by NewWaveNet · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Much agreed.

      I just got a Palm Zire71 after living with my Danger Sidekick for the past nine months and I couldn't think of any practicle use for the Palm. While the surface area of the screen may be larger, I can't:

      • Use the AIM/Y!/ICQ/MSN
      • Use SSH over a rediculously slow connection
      • Call people with it
      The Palm seems pretty much useless to me. Seeing as Danger did such a nice job with the Sidekick, it has become my lifeline. All the organizational features of a Palm were implemented better in the Sidekick. With its carrier-side syncing, the calendar, todo lists, notes/memos, e-mails, etc are all stored both on my devices "data store" and on Danger's servers...no need to go HotSync it. At one point I had to get a replacement Sidekick (because T-Mobile says that two were produced with the same IMEI) and upon inserting my SIM into the new one, everything down to my preferences for the brightness of the display were moved to the new device without any interaction on my part!

      Anyway, my Palm is now being used as a TV remote since Danger is refusing to release any API information for the IR module on the Sidekick. But honestly, why would anyone carry two devices (mobile phone, organizer) when the Sidekick (or another similar device) offers the functionality of both?
    7. Re:Requisite default answer. by MrRTFM · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Exactly - and the real problems will occur when it comes to net/email access.

      There are what, 3-4 different ways this can happen through a PDA/Phone at the moment - and using a PDA, you can be sure you are using a non $/sec method, but with a phone it gets blurry.
      "Sorry, sir but when you checked your email at 4:14pm this was at our 'peak rate' and you now owe us lots of dollars."
      "But I thought I was using the Wifi access through the coffee shop"
      "No sir, that only occurs on every second Wednesday - please pay the $14.50 fee or we will disconnect you."

      I know - its just little fees and I should just pay it - but I don't like getting tricked into these fucking schemes which are more and more prevalent these days from the big companies.

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    8. Re:Requisite default answer. by Fred_A · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's usually spelled "that was due yesterday"

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    9. Re:Requisite default answer. by whovian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I could tell you, but then I'd get probably get sued for patent infringement.

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    10. Re:Requisite default answer. by BusterB · · Score: 4, Informative

      It is 'to-do' because we hyphenate compound adjectives. A compound adjective is made up of two or more descriptive words that are intended to be used together. For instance:

      A 'baby mulching machine' is a juvenile machine that mulches. A 'baby-mulching machine' is a machine that mulches babies. Similarly, unless there is a such thing as a 'to list' and a 'do list', it should be 'to-do list'.

    11. Re:Requisite default answer. by wskellenger · · Score: 5, Informative
      I just got a Palm Zire71 after living with my Danger Sidekick for the past nine months and I couldn't think of any practicle use for the Palm. While the surface area of the screen may be larger, I can't: [list of three things that you can only do with a connected device]

      You were aware that the Zire couldn't do these things when you bought it, weren't you? The Sidekick is sold by TMobile as a phone with e-mail and IM services, plus it doubles as an organizer. The Zire has no wireless connectivity other than Bluetooth. Your complaints above don't seem to be valid. Further, why would you buy the Zire if you're perfectly happy with the organizing functions of the Sidekick?

      But honestly, why would anyone carry two devices (mobile phone, organizer) when the Sidekick (or another similar device) offers the functionality of both?

      One of the big limitations of most phones that have PDA functionality is the UI. I don't want to enter appointments with the tiny little keyboard on my phone. I prefer the pen input of the Palm when I'm in a meeting. The touch screen gets me to my datebook month or week view in a few taps.

      Move to something like the Sidekick or the Treo, and you get a phone with PDA functionality, but you give up size. PDA phones are huge. I keep my standard, no-frills GSM phone in my pocket at all times, and at about 3 oz and a smaller footprint (4.0 x 1.8 x 0.8 inches) I don't even know it's there. (This is a cheap Siemens GSM M46 phone, has a calendar/AIM/e-mail capability w/ T-Mobile). As I mentioned, I don't use the calendar functions with the phone as the interface is too cumbersome.

      T-Mobile (Danger) Sidekick

      Size: 4.6 x 2.6 x 1.1 inches
      Weight: 6.0 ounces
      Included battery: Lithium ion
      Talk time: 3.5 hours
      Standby time: 2.5 days
      MSRP: $399 US
      Source: T-Mobile.com

      PalmOne Treo 600

      Size: 4.4 x 2.4 x 0.9 inches
      Weight: 5.9 ounces (GSM model)
      Included battery: Lithium ion
      Talk time: 6 hours (GSM model)
      Standby time: 10 days (GSM model)
      MSRP: $449 US
      Source: PalmOne.com

      At any rate, if you're going to go with the larger PDA/phone solution, why not go with the Palm unit? An open API and thousands of available applications seems like a better route to me...

  3. can't be! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    that would make the Star Trek future all wrong!

  4. Smart phones by viniosity · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I generally use my SX1 for all my PDA functions these days. It doubles to play my OGG files and I can even watch some old South Park videos on it. The only reason I value a PDA at all after owning this phone is for the ability to use it on an airplane...

    It sounds silly, but if we could disable the phone part of a smartphone it could actually be more useful!

    1. Re:Smart phones by hayds · · Score: 5, Informative
      Some phones (Sony Ericsson P800 / P900 for example) have 'airplane mode' alongside normal, silent, etc. This turns off the mobile phone part of the phone and just gives you the all the other bits.

      So yeah, looks like someone's already though of it :)

    2. Re:Smart phones by cybpunks3 · · Score: 3, Interesting

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      In general, a PDA will always have a bigger screen than a smartphone, or the phone will be absurdly large. My wife's SonyEricsson P900 is the best attempt I've seen so far at a hybrid but it's still a chunky phone that doesn't quite make it as a PDA, screenwise.

      The thing is, these days there is far more of a need for horizontal screen real-estate than vertical. And the default orientation of PDAs, while facilitating one-handed use, makes things like webpages an exercise in futility.

      And no, screen reorientation doesn't solve everything because then if you have one of those thumbpads it's now at a 90' angle.

      I really think that the best form-factor for a PDA-like device is a clamshell with a foldout keyboard that swivels like the Sony UX-50 or the Zaurus C series.

      The fact that there is so much of a heated debate with a topic like this indicates that we are definitely at a crossroads. The marketplace is changing and PDAs are slow to react to what the market wants. Sure, some people still use PDAs as glorified notepads, but that's not where the money is to be made. Heck, I bought a keychain "PDA" that does that for less than $10.

      PDAs came around before the web and wireless internet. They came around before tiny hard drives could be embedded in them (i.e. iPod). They came around before the PC hit complete mainstream penetration. PDA manufactures continue to see the market for these things in "vertical" or corporate terms. The fact of the matter is that the real money is to be made from the average joe.

      That's why people are looking to smart phones. Because everyone has cell phones. Not just medical professionals or salespeople or any other PDA niche.

      Not only that, but personal media devices like the iPod are fast becoming as ubiquitous as the walkman in the 80s.

      Meanwhile, laptop profits are outpacing desktop profits. Wasn't it last year that Steve Jobs said it was the "year of the laptop"?

      We're at the point where portable computing is the primary thing computer users want in a new hardware purchase, but there are too many single-purpose devices out there.

      Sooner or later the market will settle on a new standard and I think it's likely to center around a machine with a built in hard drive, probably something like the upcoming Archos AV500.

  5. Handtops by CommanderData · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think that the PDA world will take a dive once Handtop computers become available. Computers like the OQO, Flipstart and the Sony VGN-U70 will start to take over. Why have a PDA when you can bring the actual applications and data you want with you anywhere.

    Things may not really take off till the second generation of these devices, but I'm looking forward to taking one of them for a test drive.

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  6. Re:PDAS == teh suck by portnux · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, I use my PDA to read books and would think a phone would be a really poor reader given the small screen and smaller battery life. Personally, I don't find carrying a PDA in my shirt pocket and a cell phone on my hip to be that cumbersome.

  7. Afraid so. by James+A.+S.+Joyce · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The PDA is failing for the same reason 3G technology has a slow uptake and is in danger of slipping into moribundency. It's just too much technology that's useless in such a small device while you're on the move. Who really wants to do wordprocessing with something half the size of a tissue box while they're sitting on the toilet? The tech just isn't feasible; it's cramped and the UI is poor. Costs are still ramped up, which doesn't help either.

  8. That's a shame...no, really it is. by schild · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, not really. Companies were making laptops smaller and smaller upon the release of the centrino chip thereby rendering the wimpy (by comparison) PDAs obsolete. But that wasn't really the final nail in the coffin - mobile phone manufactures kept upping the resolution on cell phones screens while increasing their size centimeter by centimeter. The result is a mobile phone that can store all your necessary info in one pocket, and computers that you had no reason not to take on lunch break and inbetween home and work.

    PDAs were a gimmick, nothing more. No matter how shiny they got, and no matter how many I owned (which amounted to 3 at one point, a palm V, a palm Vx, and one of those ridiculous Sony Clie jobbers) they still couldn't replace the ease of use a cell phone provided me.

    Gaming on them was a horrific joke as well. What with the release of the PSP on the horizon and my Gameboy SP charging next to me through USB, the PDAs of the world were simply replaced by superior technology.

    This happens to fads. I don't see many people wearing 'hammer pants' anymore, despite the fact they provided the same use as any other pair of pants.

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    1. Re:That's a shame...no, really it is. by miracle69 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I disagree that PDAs are a gimmick. Maybe for most people they were, but they've led a silent revolution in medicine. My PDA is indespensible, and I know of no young physician who doesn't rely on one heavily.

      It can store several texts at once, drug information (including indication, dosing, and interactions), and most importantly the ever-revolving formulary your insurance company uses. There are many programs that make calculating certain medically related formulas a cinch.

      The PDA may be dead for the general public, but it has found quite a nice niche in medicine.

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    2. Re:That's a shame...no, really it is. by AmericanInKiev · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You've touched it really - these things need to solve a real 9 to 5 problem. And for doctors - probably because doctors don't bring their desk to the bedside - the PDA is the right thing.

      But hospitals have invested heavily in the WIFI infrastructure to accomidate a PDA in the hostpital almost like a cellphone in the outside world.

      That said - i think the real tool for medicine is a simple barcode reader - scanning patient tags, medicine bottles, blood pressure readings, and a range of tests into a portable scanner - allows the objective facts of medicine to be collected in real time and consolidated without double entry.

      You mention cross checking medicines - that can be done by scanning the patients current collection of pill bottles - and the recommended new entry, the patient id and - viola - a printed drug cross check.

      AIK

    3. Re:That's a shame...no, really it is. by janoc · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, it depends. I owned a Visor, one Clie, Tungsten C and now I have a Zaurus C760. I have also cell phone which has some rudimentary PDA functions (calendar, notes, addressbook). It all comes down to what you want to use the device for.

      If you need just to keep track of phone numbers and occassional appointment, then probably a PDA is an overkill for you. The same if you expect a PC-like functionality from it. It was just not intended for that use.

      However, if you need an ultra-portable device, which is capable of decent networking (there are no cell phones with WiFi and data connections via e.g. GPRS are very slow and for exorbitant prices.), has usable screen for data entry and a bit of computing power to handle e.g. VPN, decent mail client and web browser, then probably a cell phone is not going to cut it. Also I want my cell phone small, not a huge brick it would have to be if the manufacturer wanted to accomodate large screen usable for PDA functions. Just look at the Treo smartphones, they are very big for a phone and the screens are still the good old crappy 160x160 Palm resolution (not sure about the recent 600 Treo). And Treos are probably the best PDA-phone combination (or smartphone if you want) that there is on the market today.

      Compared to laptops, yeah, laptop is more powerful than any PDA, that's true. However, my Visor ran on one set of AAA batteries for two weeks with normal use and over 12 hours with intensive use in a day long meeting entering data via external keyboard. Even the most recent Centrino laptops have problems to last that long. Not to mention the portability - I am carrying my Zaurus all the time with me, my T41 Thinkpad has 2.5kg, which do not count as a brick yet, but are not something pleasant to constantly lug around neither.

      Finally, usage patterns - with PDA, you can just whip it out, power it up, look up some phone number or whatever and turn it off again in seconds. That's about the time you manage to type something on your cell phone fighting with the clumsy interface or your laptop starts to be usable after waking up from suspend.

      So, I do not think that because Sony exited the market with their horribly overpriced and often flaky PDAs, which refused to support e.g. Compact Flash because it would undercut the sales of their expensive Memorysticks (even in the NZ line, which had the slot for that - the slot can be used only for their proprietary and very expensive WiFi card), the whole market is going down the drain. There is a saturation in the market and little compeling reason to buy a new PDA if your old one still works fine. The amount of innovation brought by Palm, Sony and HP (iPaqs ..) is abysmal in recent years, so no wonder that people do not buy. The largest peeves of the current PDAs - decent keyboard, decent display (Psion anybody?) and finally stable OS (yeah, both PalmOS and WinCE suck here) are still missing. Sharp is on good track with their C7xx line here, however the software leaves a lot to be desired and in the marketing department Sharp is shooting itself in the foot, IMHO. Fortunately, there is plenty of excelent free software for Zaurus available.

      Calling PDAs fad which is dying out is at least bit premature, IMHO. If you have no use for it, do not buy one. For me it was a tremendous help, regardless of having a laptop and cell phone already. I like devices that take the "UNIX approach" - do just one thing and do it well. Laptop and cell phone do not do PDA role well, so why to push them there.

      Regards, Jan

  9. Saturated Market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most people I know already have a PDA and have no plans to buy a new one since their current one does what they want. Its not that people no longer use PDAs, its that people aren't compelled to upgrade to a newer model since it offers nothing new for them.

  10. Not gone, just changing... by Fnkmaster · · Score: 4, Interesting
    My old Clie has given up the ghost in favor of a shiny, new Treo 600. My good friend now uses a Samsung i500. Really, my biggest problem with the standalone PDA was that it made yet another gadget you have to plug in and charge every night, and if you lead a relatively mobile lifestyle, you need to bring chargers, cradles or sync cables with you everywhere you go. Now I have one device I need to remember the cables for when I travel and it pretty cleanly integrates the communications capabilities of a phone, portable email device, organizer, contact manager, handheld gaming system (at least as much as I need it to), and PDA.


    Anyway, the Treo 600 has it's flaws (most notably the mediocre screen resolution). But before I got this device, every PDA I ever had was something I used for a few months then it fell into general disuse because of the effort to charge it, sync it and use it. This is the first PDA device that I actually use regularly and believe I will continue to use regularly, and that convenience is worth a whole lot. So the PDA is dead... long live the PDA-phone.

  11. Convergence by Ianoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As someone who routinely carries a PDA, mobile phone, digital camera and USB keychain drive, I love the idea of convergence, but I don't think technology has reached the point where it's matured enough to make combination devices really as useful and as feasible as separate devices are currently. The reason? Primary battery power, IMO.

    My cellphone is a fairly basic Motorola, its batteries can last for days without recharging, and I can leave it switched on at all times, day and night, just popping it into the charger as required. Sure, it doesn't have a colour screen or multimedia messaging or PDA functions, but the fact that it's always ready to use is crucial to the way I use a phone.

    My PDA, on the other hand, has a big 320x320 in full colour, oodles of flash memory, sound and video capabilities, and so on. However, the way I use a PDA is totally different. If I left the PDA on for more than around 4-6 hours, the battery would be gone. Fortunately, I use the thing intermittently, only turning it on when I want to check my tasks and appointments or record a memo.

    If you can make me a Smartphone that has audio and video capabilities with a large screen that can be left on all day like my current cellphone can, I'd buy it without much hesitation. But that's not the case at the moment.

    Today's smartphones are cellphones with poor battery life and/or PDAs with small screens and limited abilities. They're not perfect for either task. Until they are, I'll keep carrying my separate devices, and until we see a PDA with a 4 megapixel camera with an optical zoom lens, a flash and full manual exposure control, I will keep my digicam, too.

    Perhaps fuel cells are the answer, but until they're mainstream, why aren't we seeing more Smartphones that could be put into a "super low power" mode - where the colour screen is switched off and replaced by a simple 100x100 pixel mono display, and the 400MHz XScale is switched off and the phone functions run on a 1MHz VLSI to conserve battery life when the thing is sitting in your jacket pocket?

    1. Re:Convergence by kubla2000 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I used to carry all those devices too. Then I decided I needed a GPS unit for my car (I'm on the road, a lot, in Italy and if you have experience of driving in this country you would be painfully aware of how poorly sign-posted roads can be).

      It was while trying to decide on a GPS solution that I came across Route 66's bluetooth GPS for symbian phones.

      I'm now the happy owner of a Nokia 6600 which gives me ssh over GPRS for emergencies:

      http://s2putty.sourceforge.net/

      The early stages of Nethack:

      http://www.nicolaas.net/erebus/item.php?key=NetH ac k6

      and Frozen Bubble:

      http://handhelds.freshmeat.net/projects/fb-s60/

      I'm really happy with my choice. If I need to do anything serious while I'm on the road, I connect over the phone with my laptop. The GPS can be a bit slow updating but I've been quite impressed with it so far. And, not forgetting its phone functionality, it's a very good phone for talking. My batteries last about 2 days under heavy usage.

  12. This is great news by cmacb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, PDA's are not finished, but I hope they will take their proper place as an INEXPENSIVE replacement for a day-timer style notebook and stop trying to be a replacement for a PC. I don't want to spend $200, much less $600 on something that is so easily lost, stolen or dropped. People who do are either gadget freaks, or are spending someone else's money. Of course, if you work for a company so overburdened by cash that they give you a desktop PC AND a laptop AND a $600 PDA you'd be foolish not to take it, but for the rest of us a sub $100 device is more than adequate. I'd really like to have the thing I carry around cost more like $50 or less so that I could be even more careless with it than I already am.

    Sony is wise to exit a market that is oversaturated as is. Let Microsoft and Palm fight over what is left. My guess is that eventually most people will be carrying around something from Casio because the price is right and the functionality is good enough. Palm and Microsoft will lose money fighting over the "road-warriors" which will ultimately lead to Palm going under followed by Microsoft losing interest. A fitting end to the insanity.

  13. Beermats rock! by O2dude · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why spend money on a PDA when you've got beermats?

    In an amazingly cheap package Beermats offer:

    - open, multi-language platform
    - totally flexible UI
    - multi-person visible display surface
    - great information exchange function
    - unlimited battery life
    - great array of games
    - OEM-custom skinning
    - extremly svelte form-factor.
    - comes free with Beer!

    And if all of this isn;t enough, power-users can always step up to Backs of Envelopes.

    --
    - It took western civilisation 2000 years to ensure popular literacy, and now we work with icon driven GUI's. Go figure.
  14. Market Saturation by xanderwilson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think it's less an issue of PDAs not having uses as it is an issue of market saturation. Sony's mistake is that they literally came out with new PDAs almost every month (and if they weren't released in the US, they were released in Japan and never made it to the states). People who use PDAs just don't replace their PDAs often enough to sustain as many handhelds as there are, much less as many as Sony came out with. Sony's other mistake was to revamp its high-end line so often. $700 PDAs are especially not replaced very often. With the speed at which these things were replaced in their lineup, I can't imagine they were able to produce and sell enough to get good margins on those products. It would have been nice for them to have researched how people actually use their PDAs rather than try to cram everything they could into one of them, since a PDA too big to take with you is not one that you'll use, no matter how much "convergence" you've got in one.

    I think Sony's other mistake (one that PalmOS might be repeating with its next OS) was to not support the Mac platform out of the box. Many Mac users (and I'm including myself here to some degree) are notorious for wanting the latest and greatest gadgets. My first PDA was an early Sony. When I switched to the Mac platform shortly after that I had to buy a third party conduit, which became outdated when I upgraded shortly after that to Mac OS X--and then there was NO conduit I could use, no matter how much I was willing to pay. So after three yearss my Sony PDA outlived my ability to use it with my current computer. When I was ready to replace my Sony CLIE with a new Palmtop, I didn't feel that I could rely on my Sony to be "supported" by even a third party after three years, so I went with another brand.

    Alex.

  15. Screen Size matters by wombatmobile · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because of Moore's law, the gap between PDA and phone has narrowed to the extent that there really isn't one in terms of computing power.

    What then, is the difference between a phone and a PDA? Apart from the telephony aspect, the only significant difference is one that will endure - the screen size. When is that significant?

    Phones have a maximum screen size of 2 inches. This isn't likely to expand because that's the limit of most peoples pockets, and phones will always have to fit in pockets. PDA's like iPAQ have a screen size of 3.5 inches. When it comes to document and map viewing, that's a lot more than a phone.

    PDAs will continue to exist to the extent that map and document viewing proliferates - at least, to the extent that mobile mapping and document viewing applications proliferate that require 3.5 inch displays.

  16. Yes and No by pherris · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Yes, PDAs in their current form are on a dead end road but if they can adapt they have a bright future ahead. Part of the problem is there are only two types of serious PDAs: Palm and PocketPC and they are both completely mismanaged.

    Palm is so fucked up right now they don't know the time of day. It kinda reminds me of Apple just when Jobs came back. They have seven models with overlapping features and limit flexability. They need to cut back to three models:

    The Tungsten E, priced at $150 and has comes with a universal connecter and has the ability to add in a bluetooth SD card and thumb board. Think of it as the iBook of PDAs. Make it durable and market it to students and first time PDA buyers. Right now Palm's entry level PDA, the Zire 21, is the biggest piece of shit ever dreamed of. It doesn't even have a backlit screen, something they fail to mention anywhere on their website or packaging. Way to piss off the buyer. In contrast the Tungsten E is a very nice little machine (flawed but nice).

    The Tungsten C but with the sliding screen of the T3, snap in bluetooth or 802.11x. Think of it as the PowerBook of PDAs

    The Treo 600. One crossover phone/pda model.

    Palm needs to develope something like Hypercard (the orignal where everyone could build stacks) or buy hypercard from Apple and give it away with every unit they sell. A lot of HC stacks sucked but it created a lot of buzz for the Mac. I make a lot of references to Apple because Jobs (who is a miserable human being) took Apple off it's death bed and turned it into a cash cow. Do they control the PC world? No way. Do they need to? No way. Palm needs to think different.

    As for the PocketPC, if they win the PDA wars it will be by default. Palm has the potential of being much better if they can "unfuck" themselves. Don't blame declining PDA sales on the concept of the PDA when the management of these companies are to blame.

    --
    "And a voice was screaming: 'Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?'" - HST
  17. Re:Why bother? by iCEBaLM · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's why you keep the data on the computer and sync it to the PDA, why trod around a computer all the time? Can't fit a laptop in your pocket.

    My Palm Tungsten T3 has been invaluable to me. Quick note taking, music playing, the odd game here or there, ebooks, internet through bluetooth, etc. All on one device I can fit in my pocket and has 0 startup time.

    Why people think laptops are a replacement for this is way beyond me. You want to take a quick note, ok, so you're going to grab your huge laptop, wait for it to boot up, open an application and type it?

  18. Priced in the wrong direction by almaon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've always tried my best to keep personal treasures under a certain price if the following could be applied to them:

    A) I could break it by sitting on it with my massive ass
    B) Lose it
    C) Someone would be willing to steal it off my person due to it's value.

    So I never wanted to risk spending betweeen $200-800 on a PDA in fear that one of the above would happen.

    Well eventually a few models would drop down to 129$, and I bought a discontinued Sony Clie. Really cool little gadget. It was cheap, but had practical features. Built-in lithium ion battery with 60+ hours of charge, a simple black and white screen with a indiglo backlight, scroll wheel. I got a lot of use out of the little creature.

    Eventually B) happened, I lost it. Was not the end of the world cause it was at a price point I was willing to deal with A, B or C happening to.

    So I go out to find me a replacement, at the time, everything had color screens, cameras, mp3 players, etc. All really cool stuff, but it jacked the price up out of my reach.

    Then you had the Palm Zire series, certainly cheap. But it had none of the practical features I relied on.

    I think we're all attracted to cool, but I'm willing to bet that most people crave cool but buy what they can get by with and afford.

    I know Ford sells more cars than Porsche partly cause of this :)

    I think partly this is why the PDA market is drying up, for me, I feel they are pricing themselves out of reach. For people that feel the same as myself, that they're too expensive to risk losing/breaking/having stolen, rather do without than the risk.

    Unfortunate, I really liked Monopoly for Palm.

    1. Re:Priced in the wrong direction by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Unfortunate, I really liked Monopoly for Palm."

      Don't you need Windows to run a monopoly?

  19. Time for the Zaurus by D4C5CE · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As it has already been suggested in this thread (albeit somewhat sarcastically), this is the time to let Sharp know now there are markets in the West virtually without competition for quite a while, and a geek population eager to spend some money on what should be their next incarnation of the Zaurus (i.e. in reasonable amounts on reasonably-equipped devices: Who wouldn't want a clamshell version of this Linux machine if it was more easily procurable, and finally came with 802.11g & Bluetooth...).
    A Slashdot effect from a few hundred thousand potential buyers' eMail (form) requests ;-) should just do the trick and get the subject some management attention...

  20. MS and Palm are moving too slowly... by martin-k · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Microsoft and Palm consider PDAs apt just for contact management, and multimedia. IMO, that's a much too limited view. I'm using them as a laptop replacement, and many of my customers do the same thing. With the right word processor and the right spreadsheet (shameless plug...) plus e-mail software and a web browser they could do what most people want from their laptop computers.

    And with hires screens (640*480, yummy), you can actually see what you are editing.

    But Microsoft and Palm are moving much too slowly. New features in PalmOS 5? It's ARM-compatible. New features in Windows Mobile 2003 SE? Landscape support. That's all! They should get off their a**es and improve the devices. What about putting more of the Windows API in Pocket PCs so that apps actually _get_ ported to Pocket PCs? What about speech recognition and dictation? What about making data replication work instead of relying on ActiveSync? etc. etc.

    Make PDAs more useful and customers will buy them.

    Is it lack of manpower or of imagination?

    -mk

  21. evolving by krokodil · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They are not finished, they are evolving. There is that much gizmoz you can carry on you. I have PDA, phone and iPod (plus walled, bluetooth headset). I have to carry all this stiff on my and charge it.

    This calls for combining functions to decrease number of devices. Ideally all 3 (PDA, iPod and Phone) should be the same device.

    It is going in this direction, but not quite there yet. My Clie could play MP3, but battery life and storage size is too small. My iPod could work as address book, but there is no way to edit data on it - only view. My cell phone have some PDA functions, but due to small screen and most importantly poor keyboard they are not really useful.

  22. PDAs will change. Surprise! by kitzilla · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The technology and the marketplace is changing. PDAs will, too. Surprise!

    I've really enjoyed PDAs over the past few years, but This Tungsten C is probably my last. What *I* use my PDA for is keeping track of my contacts and appointments. I also use it for brief emails when there is access to WiFi.

    But enhanced cellphones really do this job BETTER. I can dial or message my contacts straight from the addressbook, and there's one less device to carry.

    The article is right that PDAs will survive, but I think they'll find new users. As they become available with hard drives, PDAs could become portable (and continuously update-able) manuals, databases, order entry devices, etc. Heavy messaging belongs on small laptops. Contact management and appointments get shunted to cellphones.

    PDAs end up being networked business devices: information terminals for people who need portability but aren't doing much content creation. That's the province of laptops and tablet computers, which will get lighter and more powerful. Cellphones are the communications platform (group calendaring is a communications feature). I think most people will prefer their entertainment to be on a dedicated device like an iPod. Who wants to be interrupted by the boss while you're listening to music or watching streaming video? Keep that crap on another box.

    Someone mentioned note-taking. Heavy note-taking, such a meeting minutes, is content creation. Use a laptop. I think voice recognition will fill the need for post-it type entries. Dictate to your cellphone, and it gets recorded or dumped to text. MUCH better than Graffiti or a small keyboard, huh?

    Apple saw this coming. They were right not to bring Newton 2 to market, cool as I'm sure it would have been.

    --
    This is my post. There are many others like it. If you don't like what you read here, go try one of the others.
  23. Usability Insufficient for Casual Users by tyen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    PDAs have saturated the market for users willing to dedicate a substantial amount of effort to overcoming their usability issues. This is a market ripe for Apple to pick up, because the market of casual users is still untapped.

    Someone else already related how when the battery goes, today's PDAs reset themselves. Glaring usability issue for casual users. I've heard this same complaint from my non-technical friends who tried a PDA, then ditched them in favor of paper and pen. When you are trying to woo people away from an intimate routine in their daily life, at first it is sufficient to offer something that addresses the needs of people trying to solve scalability problems with their routines, like the consultant in this thread who has hundreds of contacts they have to keep up with on a monthly basis, or the poster in the healthcare field who needs to tote around a small cart of books in their hands. The PDA companies have been selling into business users for the most part, and to continue their growth they have to crack the casual user market.

    Business users tend to be willing to put up with a lot that casual users will not. If a business user perceives that they obtain an edge with a particular product or service, they will invest the effort necessary to overcome the idiosyncracies to achieve that edge. Casual users will not, because the product or service is less integral to the happiness of their lives.

    That you have to purchase third party applications before you can obtain seamless linking between your day timer and address book drives up the barrier to adoption by casual users. This is what leads to the perception that PDAs are nothing more than DayTimers for gadget freaks. In their default, out of the box configuration, they merely transfer the manual activities of a DayTimer onto an electronic system. That's like asking a company to adopt a computerized accounting system, only to have an army of clerks still manually reconcile accounts instead of hooking into an OFX interface.

    Just shrinking the form factor and the price misses the entire point of trying to capture the casual user market.

    More than ten years on after the introduction of the original Apple Newton MessagePad, I'm still surprised that neither Palm nor Microsoft have adopted the soups and slots style architecture of the NewtonOS. Today, RDF and XML could be used to implement a similar data presentation architecture, making it more useful outside of the PDA as well. More important than the technical contributions of the Newton however, were some of the marketing insights that were associated with the technical implementation.

    The realization by the Newton team that most PDA applications would be relatively Unix-like (small, purpose-built applications) was spot on. The key marketing insight was that for a thriving user base and developer base to grow up around the platform, it had to be technically feasible to organically mold the user experience. It had to be easy and seamless to add functionality for example, to the out of the box address book. Or if you had to replace the address book with a more powerful address book implemented in a completely different way, it had to be easy for other developers to access the new data fields the new address book supports.

    Today on PalmOS, there is one-way sharing of data fields. Address and date book replacements (the only way to extend functionality of the built-in applications is to replace them wholesale) can manipulate the built-in data fields, but it requires a separate contract negotiation with the individual developer of the new application (or reverse engineering) to obtain the formats for the additional data fields so that you could use it in yet another application.

    The network effects of applications and more importantly

  24. Yeah, but... by Stephen+Maturin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One reason I like my PDA (and as I'm sure others will point out) is that I can use it as a portable library of e-books. Plus, being able to play a game of solitaire while sitting on the crapper is a big plus (just don't tell anyone you're going to the toilet for some solitaire!)
    But the main reason I have for keeping it seperate from my phone (besides screen size) is this: I DON'T HAVE TO PAY A MONTHLY FEE TO USE MY PDA!
    Why does it seem that more devices like this which can be purchased once and used without a monthly charge are being edged out by cheap, tatty phones and the like that require service agreements? Who the hell NEEDS a phone with a million features (PDA, camera, video mail, etc) when all one really needs is a phone that lets you place and receive calls?

    --
    Non tam praeclarum est scire Latine, quam turpe nescire
    -- Cicero
    1. Re:Yeah, but... by Nogami_Saeko · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, I look at it this way:

      -If you are going to pay for cell phone service anyway, and you want a PDA as well, you don't really lose anything by purchasing a PDA with cell phone capabilities and paying a monthly fee for the cell phone connectivity.

      Perhaps you only need a phone that can place and receive calls, but I get a heck of a lot of functionality out of my SE P800 which does have PDA capability, a camera, video mail, etc. For example, I never really thought I'd use the camera much, but I find myself using it more and more for work-related purposes, and just pure convenience. Sure, my Canon G3 digital camera produces a far superior picture, but there are times when I just need a quick photo of something and the phone is the most convenient way of getting that.

      Now, to be fair, it's neither the cheap nor tatty phone that you were describing, so you may have been speaking of cheaper "quasi-PDA" phones with less functionality.

      I used to own seperate a seperate Handspring Visor, and a Nokia cell phone. It was an inconvenience to always carry both around, so I usually didn't. I don't have that problem anymore. When a new model is released that has WiFi capability, I'll have a device which is essentially a "micro-laptop" - which is the perfect tool for me (I have fast desktop machines at work and at home, so little need for a conventional laptop).

      N.

      --
      "Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence." - Charles de Gaulle
  25. SideKick rocks! by LinuxGeekMobile · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I couldn't agree with you more. I love my SideKick (that I'm using to post this reply), and frequently have PDA owners drooling over it. This is especially true in the MANY circumstances where I whip it out to google for something, check the weather or traffic-cams before hitting the road, check online prices while at a computer-show, etc. About the only problems with it, really aren't problems with IT, but problems with T-Mobile! You can't install non-T-Mobile ringtones. You can't install non-T-Mobile software. I use my AIM on it all the time, but many of my friends only use YahooIM... someone already wrote a Y!I'm client for it (check freshmeat), but you have to be a registered developer to be able to install it!

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    - Posted via Danger HipTop2 / T-Mobile Sidek!ck II -
  26. It's not the color screen by wirefarm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My mobile (Japanese PHS system) has a color screen plus all the usual bells and whistles and I swear I only need to charge it every week or so. Granted I don't get a lot of calls, but at least the standby time is great. It must be the different system.

    As for PDAs, I started with a Newton years ago and up through a handspring and a clie, all of which I gave away after a while.

    Now I just carry a little Moleskine notebook for PDA-type functions.
    Really.
    I'm not a Luddite or anti-technology, but the benefit of having a thing full of notes that will never be obsolete or need batteries is strong. (Don't worry, they're overpriced, too, satisfying that "spend" urge. )

    For backups, I scan pages that I want to keep. I've even emailed scans to coworkers. It works well, as I have one of those scanners with a "single button scan" setup.

    It never crashes and if I lose it, I'm only out the 15 bucks for a new one.
    My writing is better, too, as I use the notes I make in the book as a reference when I type it into my powerbook later.
    I really love not having to charge it.
    No wall-wart to buy funky European adapters for.
    Great tactile experience: Good paper that you can use with a fountain pen. It's just the right size. The strap makes a satisfying "snap" sound. It's black. I even sketch occasionally.
    For input, my current choice is a sterling silver Parker 75. $40 from an antique shop.

    My PDAs were never this useful. No phone interface will ever be this useful, though a camera phone could easily take photos of the pages in the book and mail them to your regular email account or even to your blog as appropriate.

    There's also the "cafe coolness" factor. I never felt like really putting thoughts and impressions into my PDA. I do with the notebook. Even an occasional watercolor, though it hasn't replaced my Nikon. It's a pleasure to sit at a cafe and actually WRITE something.

    Of course, it doesn't do audio or video, but I have an iPod that I rarely carry anymore and a PowerBook that shows video full-screen when I want that, which never happens to be when I'm out somewhere where I wouldn't have my laptop.

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    -- My Weblog.
  27. Re:Why bother? by Linker3000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am responsible for IT matters in a company with 28 remote sites. Although I'm never 'on call' after working hours, I need to be 'available' for consulting on technical issues nearly 24/7 but I also have a life (honest!). If I'm 'out and about' I can still access any of our network resources via my GPRS mobile phone and a bluetooth link to an iPAQ PDA. The PDA acts as a:

    1) SSH terminal (pockeTTY) for our Linux servers
    2) Remote Desktop to our Windows servers
    3) Remote support tool for desktop PCs using a Pocket PC version of VNC.

    Plus of course the usual Web browsing and email checking.

    The PDA means I can go out without lugging a laptop everythwere or having to go home or to the nearest office if there's a minor crisis. With the PDA I can 'dial in' from almost anywhere - a few months ago I fixed a print spool problem on a Windows 2000 server while the passenger in a car travelling along the M4 motorway in the UK, and more recently I took a 10 minute 'timeout' from a meal in a Chinese restaurant to reprogram a router. The alternative would be for me to stay in all the time.

    I have tried a smartphone for all of this but the screens are just not big enough.

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    AT&ROFLMAO
  28. PDAs are simply expensive by Maljin+Jolt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Year ago I got a second hand iPaq 3970 for 1/3 of retail price just for the fun to put linux onto it. I would never pay a full price for it, no matter how cute device it is.

    So, I guess when PDA maker will price them 3-5 times less, they would have no problems to penetrate the market.

    Yes, of course, WinCE sucks, too. It's clear people have no use for PDA without any usefull software. That's a moment where platform portability of F/OSS really does count.

    With linux I can run almost anything what exists on big machines. I have even a tiny web server and SQL engine running on my iPaq for demonstration. Perfect linux propaganda to impress corporate nuts who are only able to sync their outlook calendar with the same model but running PocketPC.

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    There you are, staring at me again.
  29. I find this interesting by jhylkema · · Score: 5, Interesting

    /. is largely populated by faithful, Unix-loving geeks who view anything to do with Microsoft as The Great Satan.

    The Unix model of programming is to have one tool do one thing well and another to do another thing well. This is why so many text editors, etc. The Microsoft model is to have one tool with the kitchen sink and more.

    Having a separate phone and PDA neatly fits the Unix model. The phone is there to make calls and can also act as a modem (Bluetooth is your friend). The PDA is for email, contacts, checkbook, notes, etc.

    By contrast, smartphones represent Gatesian bloat and feature creep. They are, inevitably, a half-assed kludge of the two that do both things half-assed but neither particularly well. Usually, you end up with a PDA on a cell-phone sized screen.

    Sony's failure had nothing to do with the PDA market being dead. Granted, it's not like it was in the boom days, but it's far from dead. No, Sony's latest units were huge, overpriced ($600 or so), and used their proprietary memory format that just happened to cost double or triple what the others did. Hell, the NX60 (?) had a CF slot, but it only accepted Sony's proprietary wifi adapter. A Sandisk CF wifi adapter costs on the order of $30. Sony's cost $150.

    Personally, my Palm Tungsten T has all the usual PDA stuff on it (contacts, calendar, note pad, etc.) plus my checkbook, several games, and an MP3 player. Oh, and did I mention that it also has Bluetooth *and* uses industry-standard SD/MMC cards?

    Score another one for open standards.

  30. Cellphone with PDA? yeah, but do me a seperate PDA by SillyNickName4me · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I rather want a phone with very basic PDA functions (addressbook, agenda, possibly a notepad) and a seperate dedicated PDA.
    Here is why:
    • I can still use my PDA while talking on the phone for things like looking up info or taking a note
    • PDA formfactor has a much better usable screensize, esp. for someone who is visually impaired.
    • I can use my PDA to read/write at places where I have to turn off my phone such as in an airplane

    I keep my PDA and phone synced to my pc and to eachother using bluetooth, so I take my notes and appointments once, and have them everywhere even if I only carry my phone around.. I do end up taking my PDA with me as well tho most of the time.. its small and light enough to just fit in the pocket of a shirt.

    Since my phone doesn't have to have a as big as possible screen or even color, it can me sxtremely small and have a very low energy usage, resulting in being able to carry it around for a logn time without charging.

    So well, by not wanting phone functionality from my pda, and only wanting very limited pda functionality from my phone, I end up with 2 small and light devices. I can always carry my appointments and such with me in a small and light phone, and it is little bother to take a pda with me as well since it is also light and small. Since they have a wireless link I can still browse the internet and do mail on my pda, and do so with a nice well readable screen and something more comfortable then a phone keyboard.

    It's kindof funny, neither my pda or phone is new, both are over 2 years old actually, but the combination ends up being very usable, and as it is, I often end up reading slashdot during my regular 5 hours long trips to Berlin by train, only depending on the availability of the cellular network, but with a repeater in the train itself that is not a problem.. and knowign that by the tiem I get there the batteries of my PDA will be somewhat drained, but my phoen will have enough power to last another week :)

  31. Tool not Toy by CalsailX · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I own two ipaq H3600's first thing I
    did was dump the Pocket PC crap and
    put linux on them. With a pcmcia sleeve,
    a 10/100 integrated card, and real
    trouble shooting tools like tcpdump.

    They are the cat's meow when you find
    yourself in drop ceiling with a hub
    someone stuck there years ago and forgot
    about. Last time I pulled out my PDA
    in that situation, the tech I was
    working with would have killed for
    one. If you are trouble shooting a network
    problem that takes you into a attic or
    into a crawl space that laptop is
    not the animal you want to use.

    Install prismstumbler and add a
    directional antenna, getting a idea
    of what the wireless neighborhood
    looks like is a piece of cake.

    Contacts, phone numbers, notes hell
    I got a cheap Casio device that's
    better for that stuff and If it gets
    run over by a car tire I'm out less
    then $50.00.

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    Great tools do only ONE thing, but do that ONE thing very, very well.
  32. Are PDAs finished? by Baseclass · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I think not, they're just going through a transitional period right now. Yes smartphones are probably the next big thing.

    I've been using PalmOS based PDAs since the fist PalmPilot was released and digital organizers prior to that. I don't leave home without my PDA ever.

    I have a very hard time understanding how the average person goes through their day without one. I use mine for contact information, calendaring, games, looking up words (carrying a dictionary with you at all times is absolutely fantastic), cached websites(updated twice a day), belive it or not I use that cheezy mirror program that turns your screen black so you can see your reflection better all the time, universal remote, informational databases, notepad, password storage (how the hell do people remember all of their passwords? I have over 50 passwords and the list is growing), family photos, ebooks,...I could go on but you get the point.

    I believe the market has gone sour for a few reasons:
    A. Modern cell phones do most of the basic PDA functions. B. Old PDAs do most of the basic PDA functions. C. Most people don't own and have never owned a PDA before so they don't know what their missing.

    Like I originally stated however, their just going through a transitional period. Once the technology advances to the point that we have phones with month long power supplies, MP3 players, high quality digital cameras and PDA functionality that will make our current PDAs look like calculators (oh yea, I use my PDA as a calculator as well).

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  33. Finished in the US by sebthegourou · · Score: 3, Informative

    PDA might be finished in the US, but not in other parts of the world... You'd be surprised how many of those you can see on Tokyo's metro. In the US, you're never in a situation where you really need a PDA. You're in your car, at home, in the office, or with friends. In all of these cases you do not need a PDA. PDA's are great when you ride public transport, like I do in Japan. I can prepare my emails, my todo list, my calendar, check my trains, learn japanese... while riding the train, and that's really usefull. Cell phone screen is too small to do any of that. And I see many other people who also type away on their PDA, 2/3 in each car...