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Remembering Pioneer 10

Daniel Goldman writes "Twenty one years ago today, Pioneer 10 became the first spacecraft to leave our solar system, by crossing the orbit of Neptune (which was then the farthest planet from the Sun). Pioneer 10 was the first spacecraft to enter the asteroid belt, the ring of giant rocks beyond Mars. It survived and zoomed on to Jupiter in late 1973, where it became the first spacecraft to take close-up photographs of the storms on the giant planet's surface. After Jupiter, it kept going, collecting data on the particles and radiation it encountered. More info about Pioneer 10 at Wikipedia."

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  1. Re:We'll get another chance to remember it... by Jardine · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...when it returns as V'Ger. ;)

    I believe that was a Voyager probe, not a Pioneer probe.

  2. Re:eh by beeplet · · Score: 5, Informative
    which was then the farthest planet from the Sun
    Yeah, I hate the way they keep adding new planets. Oh, you meant farthest known...


    No, they meant that Pluto has an eccentric orbit, which crosses the orbit of Neptune. Between 1979 and 1999, Pluto was the 8th planet from the sun, and Neptune the 9th.
  3. Uh, no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The edge of the solar system is the heliopause. Pioneer 10 has not gotten close to that. The honor of the first man-made object to leave the solar system belongs to Voyager 1, launched over 25 years ago.

    1. Re:Uh, no... by Bad+D.N.A. · · Score: 5, Informative

      The more you understand the observations the more compelling the evidence is and there was certainly no problem with any of the relevent systems. In addition the time period you refer to was certainly not short lived. The duration was on the order of months. The solar wind instrument on V1 failed a long time ago so there is no direct observations of the solar wind available. However, energetic particles also sense the solar wind and these particles are measured. The solar wind velocity can be determined from the particle anisotropies because of the compton-getting effect, to within around 20%. And it's the observations and analysis of these particles that is at the source of the reports. There is certainly no agrement on this issue yet but it is an extremely active area of research.

      What is sad about this whole issue is that after a very long mission and the first real interesting observations in a very long time both V1 and V2 are in jeprody of being shut off by NASA. The presedential proposal to go to mars is not being funded at all at this point and therefore to fund the beginning phases of this effort the necessary funding to these (and many more) missions may be cut. But I guess thats typical government waste... Send the damn things out to 90 AU and then turn them off for political reasons, just when things are getting interesting.

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  4. Re:Leaving the solar system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    as i understand it the Oort cloud stretches half way to the next star.

    that would take some time..

  5. Re:Long Live Pioneer 10 by deglr6328 · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those looking for a more in depth study of the pioneer missions to the outer planets, this book published in the late 70's (now fully online) is truly a hidden gem from NASA's site. It details every last design aspect of the spacecraft in extremely high detail. We've certianly come a long way in ~30 years from grainy washed out Pioneer photopolarimeter images to super high resolution ultrasharp CCD images from Cassini.

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  6. Asteroids! Watch out!! by YetAnotherName · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... first spacecraft to enter the asteroid belt, the ring of giant rocks beyond Mars. It survived ...

    Contrary to nearly every science fiction chase scene, the asteroid belt in orbit around our star is hardly what anyone would call dense. It "survived"? Heck, it'd have to try pretty hard to hit a rock out there!

  7. Re:Leaving the solar system by KI0PX · · Score: 3, Informative

    According to the article, they define the edge of the solar system as the heliopause.

  8. Re:Engineering at its finest by DeepBlueDiver · · Score: 5, Informative

    Pioneer was supposed to die after reaching the outer planets, but it died in late 2003.

    Pioneer 10 is not really dead, it is just so far away we can no longer hear it.

  9. Re:After all this time, it's only 24 hours away... by kfg · · Score: 2, Informative

    A real quick and dirty gives me about 12,000 miles/second. A pretty good clip, but not yet really boogying. Give it another five years before you have to worry about the intergalactic traffic cops handing out a ticket.

    Assuming the dust mote doesn't get it first.

    KFG

  10. Re:Leaving the solar system by humblecoder · · Score: 4, Informative


    Regardless of how you define it, the farthest planet from the sun has not changed in the last 21 years.


    Putting aside the debate over the 10th planet, the farthest planet does in fact change over time. There are times when Neptune is the farthest planet from the Sun, and there are other times when Pluto is the farthest planet from the Sun. So in fact the farthest planet from the Sun HAS CHANGED in the last 21 years.

    Why this is the case is left as an excercise for the reader...

  11. Re:Leaving the solar system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Differing eccentricities.

  12. Re:Engineering at its finest by BillyBlaze · · Score: 5, Informative
    Quoting from the article...
    Pioneer 10's final signal (after two previous failures) was received on January 22, 2003. As of February 25, 2003, NASA came to the conclusion that the craft's radioisotope power source was no longer functioning well enough for further contact with Earth.
  13. Re:Pioneer's unexpected deceleration? by coast99 · · Score: 5, Informative

    There was recently a conference about the
    Pioneer Anomaly and the conference webpage
    has links to various attempts of explanation.
    [http://www.zarm.uni-bremen.de/Pione er/]

    As far as I know, there is no consensus if the
    anomaly has a trivial explanation
    (gas leaking from satellite, dust in the
    solar system etc.) or if something non-trivial is happening, such as a quantum garvity effect,
    dark matter etc.

  14. Re:Pioneer's unexpected deceleration? by BillyBlaze · · Score: 4, Informative
    The redshift of light is the further light travels, the longer the wavelength gets, so light "shifts" to the red part of the spectrum

    No, red shift is only indirectly related to distance from source. What matters is the velocity of the source when the light left relative to our velocity now. Red shift occurs when the source was moving away from us. It's similar to the zeeeouuuu sound cars make when they drive past you - when they are going away, they sound lower pitched.

    Given this, and the observation that more distant objects tend to be more red-shifted (to which you refer), we conclude that "the universe is expanding."

  15. Re:Using "space network"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    > Hi - why can't NASA try to use some nearer spacecratt
    > (Cassini, Mars Express etc.) to communicate with Pioneer 10?

    Because they really aren't that much closer, nor do they have sifficiently good antennas or receivers for the frequencies used for Pioneer 10 downlink.

    I would have to do some research, but I think the previous post referring to inadequate D/L signal strength as the cause of loss of communications is incorrect. I believe the prevailing theory is that the Radioisotope Thermal Generator (RTG ) used as a power supply can no longer provide enough power to trun on the transmitter. Once they miss a few passes, the pointing drifts off, then you are shafted.

  16. Re:Leaving the solar system by FrYGuY101 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nope. Remember Sedna?

    Not that Sedna's that big a deal. A lot of astronomers don't consider Pluto to be a true planet either...

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  17. Re:Thats a map? by pussycat · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, it's more like an address. Basically, the lines represent the period of a bunch of different pulsars and their distance from our sun. The idea is that if E.T. happens to know three (I think) or more of these pulsars, and happens to read binary, he might go "aha!" and find us and steal our water and/or women.

  18. Re:Thats a map? by CaptBubba · · Score: 3, Informative
    The upper right hand two-ball thing represents the spin-flip transition of hydrogen. Basically the electron can either be in a spin-up or spin down configuration, and there is a certain probablity/time and wavelength of the photon produced when the electron "flips". Notice there is a little "1" there, this is used as a unit of measure for the rest of the engraving.

    The spin-flip transition has a wavelength of 21cm. Next to the people is the binary number 8, 8x21=168cm, the approximate height of a human. Also this can be used to make sure the scale is correct, because Pioneer is show to scale behind the humans.

    The period of the spin-flip transition is around 1420(Mhz)^-1. The off burst pattern is actually a map of the Sol system's location in relation to 14 pulsars, whose periods are compaired to that of molecular hydrogen's transition by way of binary. By knowing this the recieving society is supposed to look in the sky and find some of the pulsars with those frequencies and be able to locate us.

    Pretty nifty use of math and science I think, but perhaps including an example of binary counting would have been a good idea. I forget what the binary near the planets signifies, either distance or mass, I can't recall which. Probably distance, because that diagram is not to scale.

  19. Re:Using "space network"? by mikejz84 · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you go to the Pioneer site, it talks about uplinking commands to Pioneer via 200Kw transmitter....I think most space probes don't have that kind of reserve. Of course in addition there are issues with the antenna gain of them, as well as communicating with the same standard, etc. Its really just a lot easier to put low powered transmitters and smaller antenna on the bird, and just make up for it with on the earth side.

  20. Re:Pioneer's unexpected deceleration? by LoocSiMit · · Score: 2, Informative
    Actually, the expansion of the universe itself will impart some additional redshifting to the light.

    The Hubble expansion will indeed red-shift light from very distant objects. However, it is a large-scale effect observable in very distant objects (other galaxies) but not in gravitationally bound systems like out own galaxy or the solar system.

    The velocity with which a distant galaxy is receeding from us is proportional to its distance - ie the further away the faster it receeds. The baloon analogy works, but for a more 3-D effect I prefer to to think of raisins inside a loaf as it rises. The more dough there is rising between raisins the faster the expansion (I think I nicked that from Stephen Hawking).

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  21. Re:Engineering at its finest by scharkalvin · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's also possible that the emission of the cathode
    of the pencil tube used in the transmitter has
    fallen off to the point where the tube doesn't generate a usefull signal anymore. And the spacecraft doesn't have a spare tube.

    That tube has been going longer than most tv picture tubes.

  22. Re:Someone Fix wikipedia! by LightJockey · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, at that time, it passed both, so they're both right. Some people may not know that pluto's orbit is not centred around the sun, but offset, so that it occaisionally crosses inside neptune's orbit.

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  23. Re:oh well. by hpulley · · Score: 2, Informative
    Mercury is iffy...

    Mercury is not iffy! The Messenger Spacecraft is on track for an August launch this year.

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