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Overclocking And Cooling Apple's MDD G4's

Posted by timothy on from the that-mirror-needs-some-gum dept.

Currawong writes "At AppleTalk Australia, one of our members, unable to upgrade his production mirrored-drive-door G4 to a G5 due to software & hardware incompatibility, has instead has both over-clocked and made significant cooling modifications to his machine. He replaced most of the fans, including adding 4 ultra-quiet Verax fans, so the machine would run quieter, as well as cooler, in his studio. For those interested in how he over-clocked his machine, we've also posted his guide on how to do it."

29 comments

  1. speaking of overclocking Macs... by ubiquitin · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is almost as good as the powerbook overclocking notes.

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  2. fan based cooling by McAddress · · Score: 0

    fan basdd cooling is so last model. water cooling is in. get with the program.

    1. Re:fan based cooling by agent+dero · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Paying $3k for the latest cool thing is so the 90's
      Making do with what you have is in, get with the program

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    2. Re:fan based cooling by rice_web · · Score: 1

      I realize it's a joke, but if you want to talk about excess, please read something about the 80s.

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    3. Re:fan based cooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was referring to the dotcom boom, there was IT excess ;)

    4. Re:fan based cooling by eboot · · Score: 1

      Dont say that! Thats how recessions start!

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  3. Surprised he didn't mod the front panel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Similar to the design of the G5, to allow air better access to the two front fans. I suppose the G4 in question already has screwed up enough internal airflow that it's not much of an issue, though.

  4. Overclocking older macs by danamania · · Score: 4, Informative

    I must mention the always useful Clock Chipping page, with info on overclocking just about any archaic mac that can be. IIs, Quadras, PCI Powermacs, Performas, iMacs, G3s and G4s.

    Why settle for 25MHz when you can blaze along at 33MHz?

    1. Re:Overclocking older macs by ColaMan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why settle for 25MHz when you can blaze along at 33MHz?

      That's still a 33% increase though, which is a fair bit.

      If you can reliably overclock a (say) 2.5GHz PIV to
      3.3GHz - the same 33%, then I'd be impressed with that as well.

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    2. Re:Overclocking older macs by grahamlee · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's very very true. The difference between the NeXTstations and the TurboStations was amazing - same 25MHz to 33MHz speed bump. Of course, the difference between OpenStep on a 25MHz 68040 and on a Pentium 100 was even more impressive :-).

    3. Re:Overclocking older macs by g-san · · Score: 1

      as long as I can overclock the dsp on my quadra 660av, i'm all for it. give me an excuse to pull it out of the stack of 10Mb hubs I am saving for that day when someone posts an article about overclocking them...

      That's still a 1000% increase though, which is lotsa fair bits.

      btw, anyone know where to get a reliable 40MB hd and OS 7.5? I need the System Enablers too. (duh, I gnow, ebay. its a joke, like the C64 loading from tape screen from GTA:VC. If you don't get it, you don't get it.)

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  5. am I missing something? by jbellis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    he says he overclocked a 1.42 GHz g4 to 1.5 GHz.

    who the hell cares?

    1. Re:am I missing something? by Analog+Penguin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It looks like a dualie, so we're talking about an extra 160 MHz here rather than 80, but still...

      To me, the real value in this article is not his personal account of squeezing that relatively pitiful extra performance from the thing, but the chart detailing how to nearly double the processor speed. Of course that would be ridiculously impossible to achieve, but the point is that it makes it clear enough how to be more adventurous than this guy.

    2. Re:am I missing something? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      two times nuthin is still nuthin. The best MAC acceleration is 9.81 m/s/s

    3. Re:am I missing something? by Phleg · · Score: 5, Funny

      But that's eighty megahertz! It's like he clustered his G4 with the awesome power of a 486DX!

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    4. Re:am I missing something? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think you missed the point of the article.. It is not to show that he achieved an 80MHz boost but to illustrate how any MDD owner can increase their processor speed.

      The first line even says that this is a step by step guide to overclocking - choose your own speed.

      Also the front page of the author's site shows he had that dualie up to 1.67MHz! Check it out for yourself www.bitsandpieces.info

    5. Re:am I missing something? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      oops fixed link

      www.bitsandpieces.info

    6. Re:am I missing something? by danamania · · Score: 3, Funny

      Also the front page of the author's site shows he had that dualie up to 1.67MHz!

      Commodore 64 with AltiVec!

      (yeah, I know you meant 1.67GHz :)

    7. Re:am I missing something? by AKnightCowboy · · Score: -1, Troll

      This reminds me of something I read about upgradability somewhere (Penny Arcade?). With PCs you have the complexity of replacing confusing components like CPUs, RAM, PCI cards, etc. A Mac is much easier to upgrade. Just unplug it, throw it in the trash and buy a new one.

    8. Re:am I missing something? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      Fuck you moderator. That's the truth. You can't upgrade Macs.

    9. Re:am I missing something? by volsung · · Score: 1

      You are thinking of Red vs. Blue's Apple Switch parody.

    10. Re:am I missing something? by sakusha · · Score: 1

      hey, no fair poking fun, my first computer was an 8080A running at 2MHz.

      But seriously, there is no damn way I'd overclock my dualie 1GHz MDD G4. With 4 internal hard drives and the Apple swapped-out reduced noise power supply, it's already blazing hot. If I close the door to my office, and I'm doing something CPU intensive like video compression, the room temp will quickly rise to about 90 degrees, despite my central air conditioning. But then, I have a really small office.

    11. Re:am I missing something? by Pope · · Score: 1

      The best thing you could do is take out the drives and go FireWire. Of course, that often just moves the noise somewhere else, but it'll help with the heat.

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  6. Dear Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    Dear Apple,

    I am a homosexual. I bought an Apple computer because of its well earned reputation for being "the" gay computer. Since I have become an Apple owner, I have been exposed to a whole new world of gay friends. It is really a pleasure to meet and compute with other homos such as myself. I plan on using my new Apple computer as a way to entice and recruit young schoolboys into the homosexual lifestyle; it would be so helpful if you could produce more software which would appeal to young boys. Thanks in advance.

    with much gayness,

    Father Randy "Pudge" O'Day, S.J.

  7. Dear Randy O'Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    Dear Father O'Day,

    Thanks for your letter. Being Catholic myself, I know exactly what you're talking about! It has always been our plan here at Apple Computer Inc to revolutionize personal computing with our high-quality and highly gay products.

    I'm happy to answer your letter by letting you know that YES we will be releasing an entire hLife ("homo-life") software line. You'll be able to recognize it in stores by the small stylized logo depicting a large cock entering a tight anus with an Apple logo on it. ("Suddenly it all comes together" indeed!).

    Anyway, I hope you and other members of our community will join us on our mission, and purchase the exciting new hLife boxed set. Only the boxed set comes with translucent cock rings!

    Sincerely,

    Harry Rodman
    Vice-president
    Homosexual Liaison Services
    Apple Computer, Inc.

  8. What's the point? by CompVisGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So, *why* was this a good thing to do? The only reason to overclock would be to improve performance, but the article doesn't give any before and after performance measurements.

    Given that so many factors contribute to computer performance (CPU architecture, number of caches, size of caches, bus speed, memory size, disk performance, CPU frequency), often in nontrivial ways, increasing the clock speed by such a small amount is unlikely to offer any significant increase in performance.

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  9. not a big improvement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I doubt it would help much.. The biggest bottleneck in G4 systems is the bus speed, not the processor speed. Sure the processor is a bit faster, but what does that matter if the bus couldn't feed it fast enough in the first place? I'm sure it will help in some situations, but the biggest thing the G5 has over the G4 is that big fat bus.

  10. Reduced noise is more important in this case by ZiggyM · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I own a dual MDD too. The machine is extremely (50 dBA+ @ 1 meter) loud, its driving me crazy. The fact that he made it quieter would be enough for me to attempt a mod (he has not posted actual dBA values for comparison, though.) I have just been researching such a reduced noise mod, and, for anyone interested, the best one Ive found (there are many in there) is at G4Noise.com (yes there is actually a website dedicated to this issue.) In there, someone managed to reduce the 50 dBA to 30 dBA, making simple modifications. The guy gave a lot of thought to the heat dissipation issue and found very clever ways to improve apple's design, such as a simple cardboard mod that makes a huge difference to cool air intake.

  11. The next thing to do.... by jhesse · · Score: 1

    Is add lighting

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