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Novell-SUSE Sponsors Openswan

hsjones writes "Concerned about the demise of FreeS/WAN? Well, looks like Openswan is going to be a good, strong open source IPsec project going forward. Novell and SUSE have jumped in with Astaro to back the project and move it along. See the press release. The Openswan project is at http://www.openswan.org. SUSE Linux and Astaro Security Linux both use FreeS/WAN in their current releases. It will be very interesting to watch what they do now with Openswan!"

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  1. Somewhat off-topic by coupland · · Score: 5, Informative

    Building on its contributions to the open source community and commitment to interoperability

    As one of many people who vividly remembers the success of NetWare 3.x, the current situation seems very alien. Novell virtually died when the fact of the matter is their product was by far the best. Today they have good products, yet they really can't claim an enormous technological edge. Their second coming is, instead, based on commitment to a thriving community, and feeds off anti-Microsoft sentiment. If best-of-breed products didn't work, will this perhaps be the strategy that finally works for them? I don't know, but I certainly wouldn't complain to see Novell take back a sizeable bite of the business that was stolen from them.

  2. Nice project but documentation is lacking... by ErikTheRed · · Score: 5, Informative

    Even since FreeS/WAN gave up on changing the world to Opportunistic Encryption (not my favorite idea, but I suppose if I feel too strongly I can write my own damn implementation :) ), I've been looking into alternatives, and obviously OpenS/WAN is the first choice. A frustration I had when looking into it was that I couldn't find any documentation describing the differences between the two projects. I didn't do any diffs on the documentations, but from a brief perusal it looks pretty much like the FreeS/WAN docs. Does anyone out there have a list of specific differences between the projects - other than the included patches for things like x.509 NAT traversal, etc that are also included in Super FreeS/WAN (I'm kind of assuming that there are more changes)?

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    1. Re:Nice project but documentation is lacking... by velkro · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hi,

      I was the maintainer of Super FreeS/WAN, and am now the release manager of Openswan.

      We're currently working on a whole new set of documentation, in DocBook/XML format to boot. It's slow, since we all know how much developers love to write documentation, but it's coming. For now, you can see The Wiki which will probably get slashdotted.

      Ken

  3. Re:and ? by jcr · · Score: 5, Informative

    IPSEC, of which FreeSWAN is one implementation, doesn't require that you set up a point-to-point tunnel like VPN's do. It encrypts any traffic between any machines that implement it.

    -jcr

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  4. Re:and ? by accessdeniednsp · · Score: 5, Informative

    The *SWANs are IPsec. OpenVPN is not. IPsec is cross platform and cross-vendor (hang on, before you get excited, let me finish) and is a (series of) RFCs. IPsec also gets you plenty of perks such as kernel-space (fast, secure, etc).

    Now for the "reply" trigger-happy, OpenVPN does do SSL/TLS, is all in user-space, and does neat things, yes. However, with the *SWANs, you can also get x509, nat-t, dpd, foo, and bar. And yes, OpenVPN is cross-platform.

    The problem lies in not being cross-vendor. And you also have to realize that there is a very large inter-web out there and not everyone uses the same platforms and vendors, etc.

    For example, as a security engineer, I often have to build VPNs between disparate vendors, devices, and software versions. Even with IPsec/IKE it's difficult enough. And they've all pretty much agreed on how to speak IKE well enough to at least have a meet-and-greet among each other. Unfortunately, there is plenty of room for interpretation, so each vendor has a slightly different dialect.

    The point being, OpenVPN isn't a "standards-based VPN" whereas an IKE-based VPN is. I know it's not necessarily a great answer to the question, but it is the truth. (Besides, OpenVPN even says so on their site...it does not do IKE.)

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  5. IPX on large networks by billstewart · · Score: 5, Informative
    IPX actually did fine - it was the IP layer equivalent. What sucked on large networks was Netware. One of its problems was inadequate flow control (though I forget if that was SPX's fault or other Netware protocols - the PBurst stuff just didn't cut it when there were congestion problems.)

    But the real performance killer on lots of networks was all the chatty SAP announcements - even on a medium-sized network, all the printers advertising themselves can clog up any useful bandwidth, which often meant 56kbps back when this sort of networking was common for users like banks, retail stores, and branch offices of big companies. Yes, we learned how to do SAP filtering, and eventually Novell came out with NLSP which helped a lot.

    The more important problems were pricing - upgrading to Netware 5 which could use TCP/IP instead of IPX tended to cost too much for the types of companies that were big Netware users back in mumblety-95, so they stayed with IPX way past its prime, around the time that Microsoft was figuring out how to make NetBIOS-over-IP perform badly over long distances (as opposed to NetBIOS-over-NETBEUI.) While Microsoft _still_ doesn't have a clue about decent networking, they were good enough to beat Netware in the market, and small networks of either Netware or NetBEUI could both be self-configuring, a lesson we're trying to relearn for IPv6.

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  6. Re:Why? by hsjones · · Score: 5, Informative

    A complete VPN solution is more than just an IPsec module (Kame) or an IKE module (Racoon). So it's not a question of Openswan vs. 2.6 kernel IPsec. Openswan moves up the stack with added functionality and intends to continue doing so. And it can use either the FreeS/WAN IPsec engine (which is being carried forward for use on pre-Linux 2.6 machines) *or* the 2.6 kernel IPsec (Kame).

    (Btw, the 2.6 kernel hasn't exactly been official "for some time now" -- even SuSE is just now shipping it in their 9.1 release.)

    In fact, with Novell now involved in Openswan (which means IBM is likely involved as well but less publicly), we will probably see Openswan work with IPsec hardware too (IBM makes some).