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Confession For Two: A Spammer Spills it All

defender writes "Rejo Zenger, well known Dutch anti-spam activist, recently had a very frank talk with a (now retired) spammer. He got information as to how and why S. Pammer started, where and why he was kicked out, who helped him get his bulletproof hosting, his open proxy mailings etc. It gives a nice and concise view of what the costs for a smalltime spammer are. About 200 Euros for the hosting and ability to spam at least half a million addresses (in a months time). That's for a turnover of 6 times and a net profit of well over twice those initial spam-related costs. Complete with screenshots, of course."

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  1. just what we need... by ErichTheWebGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... a 'how to become a spammer' article.

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  2. Net profit? by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hmmm. Net profit of over 400 euros a month, eh? Wow, that will buy a lot of champagne and BMWs! Yeah, that's worth having everyone on Earth hate you.

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  3. Impulse purchases by Faust7 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Most orders seem to have been made on impulse: they are done during or immediately after the spam run.

    And I'd have thought they'd engage in long, thoughtful consideration before trying an experimental manhood-enhancing product, mortgaging their home, choosing a Third World bride, or deciding which bestiality DVD set to purchase?

    1. Re:Impulse purchases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
      Well my purchases weren't on impluse you know...

      After receiving a helpful email from a someone who took the time to write to me offering me some personal advice I purchased a large bottle of gaariv tablets, after getting carried away and consuming the entire bottle I realised that I had some very strong desires. And well needed someone close to share them, fortunately for me another long lost friend who I had completely forgotten about decided to email me to ask if I was looking for lurve. His timing couldn't have been better and I decided to take him up on his offer of help and paid for a third world bride to come over to live with me. Unfortunately I then realised I needed to mortgage my home to pay for her travel but as luck would have it he had also emailed details of a great mortgage deal. The only thing is I'm not sure if it was the shock of seeing me stark naked which scared my new bride off but the bitch just disappeared within hours of arriving over here. However she did bring some exotic animals with her which to be honest I found far more attractive than her, and well I soon realised I had something in common with jumbo aside from our beer guts. It was luv at first sight however I just wasn't sure how to make the first approach (so to speak) which is why I ordered some self help videos. So as you can in my case one purchase simply lead to another...

    2. Re:Impulse purchases by mellonhead · · Score: 2, Funny

      "And I'd have thought they'd engage in long, thoughtful consideration ..."

      I know I would have...

      From the article:

      "The tins of meat are bought at a Dutch importer, who in turn buys them from a Belgium importer who buys them in the former Sovjet Union."

  4. Speaking of the subject of spam... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Every time I get one of those "Mic.ro sofT Sof1w.are cheap!" emails, I am always tempted to start some Linux spam.
    "For a low, low fee I can show you the best software site on the internet, everything from operating systems, to office suites, to graphics programs can be yours for free. Yes the sourceforge is a wonderful place. To find out, please send CowboyNeal your first born."

  5. It looks like S Pammer has met his match by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I guess he hasn't heard of the White Pages....

    Link

  6. Re:Fscking God! by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Funny

    Based on how slowly their server is moving at the moment, I have the feeling they've been /.ed with a vengeance. It's not as good as murder, but if nothing else, it will slow them down for a while.

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  7. Re:The real money... by DeepHurtn! · · Score: 3, Funny
    " ...would appear to be in the production and sale of address lists...Seriously, it would be trivial to write a script to generate e-mail adresses..."

    Production? Seems like you could do it even easier: just buy some other spammer's CD, then redistribute it yourself. What's the original producer gonna do...sue?

  8. We don't need to kill them by Anonymous+Cowpat · · Score: 2, Funny

    We've /.ed them.
    Bwuha-ha-ha-ha, mwuh-mwu-ah mwuh-mw-a-ha-ha-ha.
    Seriously though, how about we find an excuse to link to them every week or so and bring their bandwidth to its knees.

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  9. Re:The real money... by actiondan · · Score: 4, Funny

    What's the original producer gonna do...sue?

    Yeah, you're right, people who engage in illegal trades never have any way to get at people who shaft them because what they do is illegal and they can't go to court.

    That's why I always steal from drug dealers and money launderers...

    Dan.

  10. Re:The real money... by gl4ss · · Score: 2, Funny

    huh. read the article, one shitty cd with just a fraction of working emails cd cost 300$.

    now, I'd rather spend that 300$ on booze while doing the script to generate the names..

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  11. Re:So for a month's worth of work... by Talking+Toaster · · Score: 2, Funny

    the #3 guy in the world in Louisana. He owns a million dollar home

    Just out of curiosity, what's his name?
    And you wouldn't know his snail mail address offhand would you?

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  12. which proves starbucks is e-vile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    $1386.66

    13-unlucky = e-vile
    8-death card = e-vile
    666!= da DEBBLE = e-vile

    math roolz! This proves that starbucks is e-vile, and working there is e-vile! So if you drink coffee there, you drink e-vile juice! And it EATS UR BRANEZ, 2!111! turns you into a...YUPPIE!

    neener neener, yuppie nerds how...weird

  13. Next time I hear about a spammer spilling his guts by Dave21212 · · Score: 4, Funny


    The next time I hear about a spammer spilling his guts, I expect *real* guts from a real spammer.

    Oh yeah, screenshots included !

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  14. Re:Classic prisoner's dilemma by jcr · · Score: 2, Funny

    They key is to increase the penalties for misbehaving so that there is no incentive.

    Well, to be precise: to raise the risk of penalties to a point where the spamming is not worth the risk.

    IMHO, it would only take three or four spammers being found beaten to death in an alleyway somewhere, to scare off the majority of the Ralskys of the world. That would just leave the serious mafia types, and getting rid of them would be very tricky..

    -jcr

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  15. Re:Green Economics and the Net by bestguruever · · Score: 2, Funny

    Flamebait? That must be someone with moderator points and a large bruise on their face.

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  16. Re: Direct mail is not Destructive? Bull... by smash · · Score: 2, Funny
    Right...

    $ mailstat log

    Total Number Folder
    ----- ------ ------
    *personal folders removed*
    89678902 7746 /var/mail/username
    11290 2 attachments
    115365176 13693 spam
    ----- ------
    206126030 21917
    Spam is no issue, really.

    Dumbass.

    smash.

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