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The Purposelessness of FPS Professionalism

Doley writes "Over at GotFrag, there's an article discussing the financial and evolutionary problems related to professional FPS gaming. The piece explains: 'Regardless of how many fans exist, how many people play Counter-Strike, how many tournaments take place, or how many sponsors participate, Counter-Strike will never truly be a sport. Never will the players make an excellent living playing the game. Possibly, in time, the top teams from each country will be able to make a decent living - a living that we are all capable of making by simply attending college. However, because the majority of cream of the crop players and teams cannot make Counter-Strike a true career, the purpose of the entire structure and making it to the top is destroyed. Until purpose is put back into our community, the situation will continue to worsen.'"

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  1. Inherent Problem... by Ceyan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The one problem that will forever doom competitive computer gaming is that gaming isn't meant to be a spectator sport. Since the dawn of sporting events, sports have been designed around the viewer, not the player. On the flip side, comptuer games are soley designed for the enjoyment of the player.

    What I don't understand is how it's gotten as far as it has. Probably a lack of understanding on my part as I can barely understand the reason of watching professional sports, but the whole idea of WATCHING someone else play a computer game for fun is just... the funniest thing I've ever heard.

    1. Re:Inherent Problem... by Apreche · · Score: 5, Interesting

      While I mostly agree that watching people play video games is generally not fun, there are exceptions.

      For example, I can't stand playing Final Fantasy games anymore. But watching someone else play is great. I get all the plot without putting in any of the effort.

      Also, watching fighting games can be awesome. Lots of ooohs and aaahs when people pull off crazy stuff or weird things happen.

      Lastly its always fun to watch stuff like Mario Party because it's crazy go nuts.

      Also, Dance Dance Revolution is the major exception. It was designed for spectators and players combined.

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    2. Re:Inherent Problem... by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It took nearly forty years of widespread amateur play before the first pro baseball league was formed. I think that's all that's lacking here: time. As computer gamers grow up and games become more accepted (and spectator-friendly), it'll happen.
      I don't think so, for several reasons:
      1. Advances in Gaming Technology.
        Forty years (even ten years) is a long time in computer time.
        During that time, the technology continues to advance, and games continue to improve.
        While there are still some people playing Doom, etc., most have moved on to other things.
        Different (usually more realistic) physics, graphics, etc., attract players away from the older games.
      2. Fragmentation.
        There are thousands of computer games being played these days.
        Many of these games have dozens or hundreds of mods, each with its own idiosynchrosies.
        There are few games with a large player base.
      3. Advances in Hardware.
        I don't mean faster CPU times or better graphics cards.
        I mean vocal input, 3D glasses, virtual reality helmets, direct neural interfaces, etc., i.e., new kinds of hardware.
        As hardware technology advances, games will advance to keep up.
        Compare this to games like baseball, where the same basic technology has been used for over 100 years.
        (Oh, sure, there have been new things like aluminum baseball bats and tighter tolerances in the construction of baseballs, but the basic technology is the same.)
      I guess that what I'm saying is that computer gaming is a moving target, unlike most physical sports, which remain unchanged (except for minor tweaking) over tens of years.
      Can you imagine trying to keep meaningful statistics over any decent period of time?
      I just can't see an announcer saying things like:
      Wow!
      I haven't seen that play since two years ago, when Team Death14 used it against The Lords of Blood.
      But, of course, vorpal swords had slightly higher power and greater range back then, and variable gravity didn't exist either.
      Oh, yeah, and it was a different mod, so I guess it doesn't really matter.
      BTW, I am a computer gamer, and I already am grown up.
      I played my first computer game in 1974, on a Teletype machine, so I have seen how games have advanced over the years.
      It's a moving target.
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  2. CS as a Sport by Prien715 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem with counter-strike and many video games as a sport is that they can't really be watched. In any traditional sport, there's some obvious object on which to focus the camera (a ball or a puck in most cases). The action usually focuses around this one object. Similarly, there's also no walls obstructing views of all participants except a few. Most rounds in CS are won by eliminated each individual member of the other team, thus making there as many focal points as are players on the team.

    You could handle this in one of three ways. First, don't watch it live and show "important" clips (where people are killed or die). That would allow fans to see all the important stuff, but would have the feel of a highlight reel in sports (you know somethings going to happen) and it fails to give context to the action. You could focus on one player the whole time, but then you'd miss stuff.

    One of the most fun things about CS is the element of surprise (which is not possible in, say Goldeneye since the opponent can see your screen), but at the same time, this same innate inability to see what's going on is what makes it a horrible spectator sport.

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  3. not soccer, chess by cinemabaroque · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Computer games are infinitely more akin to chess than to soccer or badmitton. Whereas the spectator is a large component of the latter events (which means that people are making money selling tickets) but at a chess tournament only interests an aficianado of the game who can appreciate the sublime situations that are developing on the board, or computer screen. Thats why chess tournaments aren't held in stadiums and they charge the players and admit the fans for free. I suspect that the FPS competition will survive in this form for perpetuity as the game companies will also support it for marketing purposes.

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  4. Re:College does not automatically mean $$$ by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Debating whether to post anonymously or not.. not that I care what slashdotters think, just that my friends all know this name by now-

    I never attended college. Or highschool. Or a full year of middleschool. I dropped out near the end of 6th grade (about 80% through if you want to get technical.)

    I'm currently 17, employed by a euro internet exchange(I'm in the US), making ~$1800/mo, with huge room to grow. I didn't get this job under any false pretenses-- no lying or denying, I even brought it up. I'm sure income wise I'm far from the top of slashdot, but I'd say I'm doing pretty well off.

    Life is just a stream of luck, both good and bad. All the biggest and most influential events are usually the ones you didn't plan. (car crash, meeting people, etc). The only caveat to this is that luck is preperation meeting opertunity, but it doesn't change it.

    "Some of us would definitely prefer to play computer games all day (and get paid for it!) rather than sitting through another English class. :P"

    You'd think that, but eh. Playing competitively really took all the fun out of it. I'll still be competing in the CPL(big counterstrike competition) this year, but after that, I really don't know.

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  5. Saying FPS cannot be sports is premature by servognome · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Multiplayer FPS have only been around for 11 years (DOOM). For the most part the games have been designed for the single player experience, multiplayer was not an important part up until 5 years ago. The genre is very young. Professional sports didn't become multi-billion dollar operations in 5 years. There are stories of pro football players having second jobs to survive during the early years.

    That said, there are issues with computer games which will need to be dealt with for the popularity to rise to those of sports:
    1. High Turnover - As soon as CS2 or something better comes along, everybody will drop CS. Major sports don't have as significant change. You then establish a player legacy, the best will remain the best, people follow careers and teams. If suddenly they changed basketball to have 15' baskets the game breaks, its no longer about players who dunk, its about the purest shooters. The technology needs to get to a point where one game can have decades long legacy.
    2. Following the action - the technology needs to be developed for good spectator views. There just hasn't been any focus for developers to work on this. Hockey is a sport that suffers on TV because its hard to follow the action. If things aren't presented well, it just becomes confusing.
    3. Widespread play - People like to watch what they play. There is a small population that has a good computer, broadband access, and enough money to dish out on a $50 game. Compare that to spending $20 on a football/basketball/soccerball and going out to the park. As technology becomes more widespread the number of people interested in FPS games will rise and so will the fan base.

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  6. Re:Errr after reading the article I have one Q? by rhakka · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's the Cyberathelete Professional League; they play more than just counterstrike.

    It's a problem only if you are very competitive. As a former organizer for some high profile (relatively speaking) Unreal Tournament competitions, it's about passion in a sense. Being constrained by the things that constrain us all; work, school, etc.. means you don't really have the time to truly hone your teamwork or skills to a professional level. And the games out there today provide enough depth of gameplay that you can always take it further.

    Many people want to do just that. And if it's made spectator friendly, it can even be dazzling to watch a truly stellar team do their stuff.

    Restricting the competitions to only those who want bragging rights and will pay for a plane ticket to prove it means the gameplay is not as good. For many games there are currently a handful of truly exemplary teams that just dominate everyone else; that's not fun, nor interesting to watch. But if the incentive and ability to support oneself were there, there would be a whole league of top notch teams hammerring each other for hard fought victories.

    Which, I imagine, is exactly the same reason regular professional sports exist. Some people want to take their gameplay to the highest possible level, and others like to watch excellence in action.

    And having that top tier action should mean there is a trickle down effect; more exposure means more players. More players is good for any multiplayer game. It allows for a larger, deeper, more interesting community as well as more games.

    If you've never been so absorbed by a multiplayer game that you wanted to see how far it could go, or been inspired by another player who had just done something really amazing in the paradigm of the game you are playing, then you probably just don't empathize. That's fine. But a lot of people do, which is how the CPL and WCG (World Cyber Games) and QuakeCon and those huge european LAN competitions get their purse money from sponsors.

    The only question is, will the interest continue to grow to the point where a true professional scene exists? I think as games progress it's inevitable that the answer will be yes. But probably not until games are closer to simulated worlds than they currently are.

    But then, South Korea shows that isn't necessarily even a prerequisite, that's just my gut feeling. They already have professional gaming, televised and popular gaming shows and competitions, and games that register entire percentage points of their population in active gameplay. So who knows?

  7. How is this different from real sports? by JFMulder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    'Regardless of how many fans exist, how many people play Counter-Strike, how many tournaments take place, or how many sponsors participate, Counter-Strike will never truly be a sport.

    Do you know how many people take swimming lessons, ski lessons or whatever and want to be an athlete? Yeah, a lot. Probably as many as CS players.

    Never will the players make an excellent living playing the game.

    Neither does athletes. My cousin did windsurfing, and even tough he was #1 in Canada for many years, it still didn't pay the bills

    Possibly, in time, the top teams from each country will be able to make a decent living - a living that we are all capable of making by simply attending college.

    Yep, just like traditional sports, if they're mainstream enough.

    So, how is CS different?

  8. "Professional" gaming is a curse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I used to be head admin of a large, UK-based Counter-Strike league, which contained about 90 different teams from across Europe. The one over-riding message I took away from this is that Professional Gaming is killing the fun in games.

    When I first took up my role, in February 2002, Counter-Strike had only made its "breakthrough" into the mainstream comparatively recently. The CPL was still a fairly distant organisation, mostly associated with the Quake series. The league I adminned offered no real prizes, other than the free use of a clan server for a few months, and even at division 1 level, was treated as "fun" by the participants.

    I ran the league for about 16 months and during this time, I saw the ethos of the community, as well as any sense of fun, brutally and remorselessly stripped away by a growing focus on Professional Gaming. First of all, there was a growing clamour to adjust our rules and maplists to match exactly those used by the CPL. If we threw a slightly different map into the cycle, we'd get whinged at by teams who claimed that "it wouldn't help them practice for the CPL qualifiers. Worst of all, it wasn't just, or even primarily, the top level teams who were complaining about this. I was never a particularly brilliant Counter-Strike player; I was competent enough, in a mechanical way, but I lacked the reactions and aim necessary to be great at the game. But there were teams who I could have beaten single-handed, from the bottom division of the league, complaining that they weren't getting the practice they'd need to qualify for the CPL.

    The next ugly little spawn of pro-gaming to rear its head was sponsorship. At some point in Q4 2002, it seemed that every team under the sun suddely had sponsorship. A few at the top were sponsored by Intel, AMD etc, while the rest were sponsored by Frank's Kebab Emporium or Scunthorpe Tourist Board. With money involved (even though the monthly quantities in many cases were less than I earn in a day at work), teams suddenly started refusing to accept losses, without going through as many rounds of appeals as they could get. There'd always been an element of this; I can kind of understand a team feeling hard done by after losing a very close match in which external factors such as network blips may have caused interuptions, but suddenly, everybody was convinced that if they accepted their losses with good grace, their sponsors would dump them. For the first few season's I'd adminned, I'd done a weekly roundup/commentary for the league's website. This was a pretty inoffensive document; who beat who, how the next week's fixtures might go, details of one or two of the more interesting matches. This had always been well received. However, I started getting an increasing number of complaints from a small, but growing, minority of players. I couldn't comment on a match they'd lost, because their sponsors would dump them. I couldn't comment on a match they'd won and give any kind of credit to their opponents (something I always tried to do, particularly if a team was on a losing streak), as this would diminish their victory and their sponsors would dump them. So the roundups were discontinued. Of course, this trend intensified and, before I knew it, teams were refusing to show up for matches they thought they'd lose, as they figured a default would upset their sponsors less than an actual loss.

    By the time I'd been running the league for 12 months, I'd had enough. The mature, fun community I'd once known had evaporated; all that was left was a bunch of wannabe-pros, who were all convinced they were going to make a living off playing games. I was, at this time, coming to the end of my period as a student and getting ready to start a full-time job, so I was starting to understand how the "real" world worked a bit better. In a couple of cases, I actually tried to suggest to players of a similar age to myself that maybe pro-gaming wasn't going to work as a career. This didn't win me many friends.

    I'm always wary of the modern trend towards e