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Response to Gordon Cormack's Study of Spam Detection

Nuclear Elephant writes "In light of Gordon Cormack's Study of Spam Detection recently posted on Slashdot, I felt compelled to architect an appropriate response to Cormack's technical errors in testing which ultimately explain why one of the world's most accurate spam filters (CRM114) could possibly end up at the bottom of the list, underneath SpamAssassin. I spend some time explaining what is a correct test process and keep my grievances simplified about the shortcomings of Cormack's research."

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  1. Excellent review by XMichael · · Score: 5, Informative

    On the origional forum, I was saying something of the similair (except not nearly as well written!! hehe)

    DSPAM, IMHO, provides far better results than this report was leading too. A properly trained Bayes filter, but a somewhat intellegent person provides simply amazing results. I swear I can go weeks on end without a single spam getting through, no false positives -- and between 20 and 100 SPAM in my "spam" box per day!

    DSpam using Bayes algorithm is by far the best filtering method i've used. And I've used alot! (From SpamAssassin to SpamProbe and all the inbetweens). The only setback, DSpam takes a couple weeks to train...


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  2. Spamassasin is good but not that good... by Shoeler · · Score: 5, Informative

    For any users of spamassassin's 2.x branch (2.63 is current as of this writing), we all know how dated its signatures are right now. When the 2.6 branch was first released, I got zero spam and 100% ham for the first few weeks. Now that 3.x is being integrated as an ASF and being apache-ized, updates have been slow and 3.x is still awaiting deployment.

    Point being - I was darn surprised to see SA at the top of his charts.

    Now - if only mimedefang would easily use another spam-checker....

  3. Confirmed: Architect IS a verb by cperciva · · Score: 4, Informative
    Quoth the OED:
    architect v. To design (a building). Also transf. and fig. Hence architected ppl. a., designed by an architect; architecting vbl. n. and ppl. a.

    The use of "architect" as a verb isn't even recently invented: Keats wrote "This was architected thus By the great Oceanus" in 1818.
  4. Constructing arguments by cynicalmoose · · Score: 4, Informative

    As far as I understand, Cormack accepted that he was testing only on one person's corpus, and qualified his findings as such.

    This is something that is featured throughout the rebuttal - an argument that runs:
    a) Such and such was done incorrectly
    b) Therefore the system was inaccurate
    c) Therefore CRM-114 is better than stated

    The ultimate point where I lost patience was where he claimed that the results were invalid because they didn't conform to accepted, real world knowledge. The study was empirical; it shows something, based on how it was set up; and what it shows is valuable. If you discarded results each time they contradicted agreed wisdom we would still think of a geocentric universe.

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  5. Cormack and Lynam re Zdziarski's factual errors by gvc · · Score: 4, Informative
    We shall not respond to Mr. Zdziarski's attacks, except to identify the most outstanding factual errors and to note that ad hominem arguments are irrelevant in assessing the validity of our work.

    We encourage interested parties to read our paper and our points of fact re Zdziarski.

    Thomas Lynam
    Gordon Cormack
    June 24, 2004

  6. the corpus was *not* classified by SA alone by jmason · · Score: 5, Informative

    My $.02. disclaimer: I'm one of the SA developers.

    • "The Corpus was Classified by SpamAssassin, for SpamAssassin", and "The Accuracy of the Test Subject's Corpus is Questionable":

      No, this is incorrect. Firstly, he states that he used user feedback to reclassify FNs and FPs (p. 4).

      The misunderstanding probably comes from p. 6, where he notes that he also ran SpamAssassin 2.63 over the "gold standard" corpus once it was complete, to verify his original classifications.

      However, in addition to that, he states 'all subsequent disagreements between the gold standard and later runs were also manually adjudicated, and all runs were repeated with the updated gold standard. The results presented here are based on this revised standard, in which all cases of disagreement have been vetted manually.' So in other words, the "gold standard" should be as near as possible to 100% accurate, since all the tested filters and the human classification have "had a shot" at classifying every mail, and the human has had final say on every misclassification.

      In other words, if any misclassifications remain in the "gold standard" corpus, every one of the tested filters agreed on that misclassification.

      IMO, that's as good as a hand-classified corpus can get.

    • "old versions of software were used":

      It's unrealistic to expect the author to use the most up-to-date versions of filters available by the time the paper is made available to the public. That's the difference between results and a paper -- it takes time to analyze results, write it up and come to valid conclusions, once the testing results are obtained. IMO, the author can't be faulted for spending some time on that end of things.

      Given that, using 6-month old release versions of the software under test seems reasonable.

      SpamAssassin 2.60, when new SpamAssassin rules were last added to a released ruleset, is 9 months old (released 2003-09-22); so logically, in testing against DSPAM 2.8 (released 2003-11-26), DSPAM should therefore have had the edge. ;)

    • "test started with untrained filters":

      IMO, that's the real world. People don't start with fully-trained filters.

      In addition, the graphs on pp. 15-20 show accuracy over the course of the entire 8 month period, so "post-training" accuracy can be viewed there.

    • "spam in the test is as old as 14 months":

      Nope, he states (p. 4) that the corpus uses mail between August 2003 and March 2004.

    • "it should purge old data":

      SpamAssassin purges its Bayes databases automatically, based on the age of messages in the corpus. We call it "expiry".

      In that test, the "SA-Standard" dataset would be using this, so stating "Cormack did not perform any purge simulation at all" is not accurate. However, that would not have increased SpamAssassin's accuracy figures, since we have generally have found that while it keeps the overhead of bayes database sizes and memory down, it marginally reduces accuracy, instead of increasing it (at the default settings).

      (Also worth noting that it can deal with being run from an en-masse check over a static corpus, as it uses the timestamp information in the Received headers rather than the current system time. So even if this test was run in the course of 4 hours, it'd still be an accurate simulation of what would happen in "real world" use over the course of 8 months.)

    And finally, what Henry said in comment 9520473.

    --j.