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Linux in Iraq

Nereus writes "The BBC News is reporting on the newfound popularity of Linux in Iraq. The article discusses how the Iraqi Linux User Group believe Linux will aid the Iraqi people in the rebuilding of their country, and the benefits of open source in Iraq."

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  1. Obstacles by SIGALRM · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They are united in their belief that open-source software like Linux could help their nation.

    Of course, the absence of basic infrastructure (power, water, sewage) is a real obstacle to their goals; not to mention the monumental lack of security in many parts of the country.

    Overall, however, a proliferation of F/OSS would be a positive step forward for Iraq, where proprietary software is very expensive. It would be interesting to find out what percentage of the population even owns a computer.

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  2. How does this differ from other efforts? by garcia · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A lot of high profile Linux users believe that Linux could be the savior to all areas of the world (developed countries as well as third world countries). How is this guy any different than the rest of those out there promoting and educating others about Linux?

    "There is a shortage in power and water supplies, and sewage systems, so the last thing Iraq needs is spending billions of dollars on very expensive and overpriced products, especially software products," he said.

    This enables the country to build its own infrastructure based on open source, on open ideas," Ashraf Hasson.


    As of right now the "rebuilding" efforts of Iraq are in the hands of corporate contractors (from the liberating nations) who are being offered large sums of money to "help" over there. Will Linux be able to compete with the puppet-government mandated contractors who are likely more interested in filling their own coffers rather than those of the Iraqi people?

    1. Re:How does this differ from other efforts? by cheezedawg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As of right now the "rebuilding" efforts of Iraq are in the hands of corporate contractors (from the liberating nations) who are being offered large sums of money to "help" over there. Will Linux be able to compete with the puppet-government mandated contractors who are likely more interested in filling their own coffers rather than those of the Iraqi people?

      I know that "corporation" is a pseudonym for evil here on /., but just who the hell do you suggest should be doing the work in Iraq instead?

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    2. Re:How does this differ from other efforts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The 70% of unemployed of Iraqis?

    3. Re:How does this differ from other efforts? by TopShelf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Obviously, send in the hippies! Once Phish wraps up their tour, I'm sure they'll need something to do.

      Seriously, though, of course corporations are picking up most of the work. Don't forget, however, that federal procurement rules also carve out a portion of bids for small businesses. I saw a recent TV news story that claimed roughly $500 million in contracts have been given out already to small businesses engaged in the Iraq rebuilding effort.

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    4. Re:How does this differ from other efforts? by Mz6 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I know that "corporation" is a pseudonym for evil here on /., but just who the hell do you suggest should be doing the work in Iraq instead?

      Well definetly corporations should have a chance to help rebuilt Iraq, however, there should be more competition for it rather than a company being handed a "no-bid" contract. If the military did this instead of corportations, there really would be no spark to help the economy out.

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    5. Re:How does this differ from other efforts? by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First off, you're only talking about unskilled labor. This sort of system is humiliating to the highly educated Iraqis. You know what? I would *love* to have some Iraqi artists and architects come over here to design buildings over here in the US. Have you seen the sort of beautiful bridges and monuments they've made? For a tenth the cost we're paying these US companies to do so? And the ugly-as-heck replacements that these US companies are doing?

      Case and point: read

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  3. First things first by L.+VeGas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's see if we can get the electricity working first.

  4. Re:Why not? by Mr.+Neutron · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Believe it or not, Saddam actually wouldn't allow people to have beards. His thugs would forcibly shave anyone who had one. This was to combat Islamist extremism, which he always found to be a threat.

    The man war brutal and evil, but keeping him in power probably would have helped us in the War on Terror.

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  5. Re:What does Linux give Iraq that other OS's do no by liphel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Try turning it around, things don't necessarily start with Windows. What features does Windows offer Iraq that Linux doesn't?

  6. OSS vs free-as-in-beer by sczimme · · Score: 5, Insightful


    From the article:

    Both of them are firm believers in open source software. Unlike expensive proprietary software, open-source software can be freely distributed and modified, as long as the modifications are shared with other users.

    This happens quite often is these discussions: people like the reporter confuse/conflate (the ideals of OSS) and (getting something for free). I believe the Iraqi gentlemen - even though they are coders - are looking at the free-as-in-beer aspect as the primary benefit. This is not a Bad Thing(tm) - it's a heck of an advantage - but it is not the same as supplying the Iraqi people with OSS so they can make and distribute changes.

    Also from the article:

    "This enables the country to build its own infrastructure based on open source, on open ideas," Ashraf Hasson.

    No, it lets the country build its infrastructure for a heck of a lot less money than it would cost to do so using commercial products. What is wrong with saying "I like to use Linux [or whatever] because it costs me very little money"?

    For the record, one of the reasons I like to use Linux because it costs me very little money. (I buy commercial distros about half the time so I'm not a total leech...)

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  7. Iraqis? by Zilfondel2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why give large rebuilding contracts out to US firms, when there are literally millions of Iraqis who are unemployed - and will work for cheap - that are already in Iraq?

    Not to mention the huge Iraqi construction companies who - over the last 20 years - built all of Saddam's palaces, military bunkers, etc. They certainly have the means, techinical expertise, and manpower to do that stuff. And they are already there.

    That would go far beyond any Haliburton/Bechtel efforts to rebuild Iraq, as none of the money Haliburton gets paid goes to help Iraqis.
    After all, the point in rebuilding a country is to eventually restart said country's economy so people there can work.
    This almost sounds like Saudi Arabia all over again, with 80% unemployment rates - sans the monthly oil checks.

  8. Re:Why not? by bigberk · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This was to combat Islamist extremism, which he always found to be a threat.
    Interesting, you're saying that Saddam was against the Islamic extremists? The same morons who cry 'jihad' and drive planes into buildings, explode car bombs, etc.?

    So Saddam is against Islamist extremists, and we bomb him -- but we do business with Saudi Arabia, the country that is home to the wealthy funders of Islamic extremism, and home to all the Sept. 11 hijackers? Let's not kid ourselves, there are bad things happening in both countries but only one of those two countries was the champion of Islamic fundamentalists / extremists.

    I don't get it, it's too weird!
  9. Re:Why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The same morons who cry 'jihad' and drive planes into buildings, explode car bombs, etc.?

    Likewise, would you like Americans to be called "the morons who try to impose their cultural and economical dominance to the rest of the world"? The problem is that you don't realise that you are probably more violent against the rest of the world than the rest of the world is to you -- even if it's a different form of violence.

    This is not a flame. You owe respect to the other side of the conflict, otherwise you're no better than your unelected president who believes war prisoners are a subclass of the human species who do not deserve to have their rights respected. Does Guantanamo ring a bell?