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ISS Spacewalk Cut Short

RobertB-DC writes "The spacewalk that was intended to replace a balky power supply ended almost before it started, according to Spaceflight Now's Mission Status Center play-by-play. The Russian Orlan spacesuit worn by US astronaut Mike Fincke developed a problem with its oxygen supply (!), forcing both spacewalkers back to the airlock after less than 15 minutes. Mission control and the ISS crew are still debating what to do next."

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  1. Oh well by Joceyln+Parfitt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    too bad, I was really looking foward to this, especially after delay upon delay. Guess they need to doublecheck their equipment next time.

    1. Re:Oh well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This may be a stupid question but ... This space walk is to replace a faulty circuit breaker right? Is it just me, or would it not be much smarter to put the circuit breakers on the INSIDE of the station? I mean, Isn't this a bit like putting the fuse box on the roof of your house?

  2. The answer is simple... by Animaether · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just patch the leak with putty!
    NASA: Astronauts to get putty for small holes

    Though I have to question these NASA budgetcuts.. AstroPutty

    1. Re:The answer is simple... by Rei · · Score: 2, Interesting

      *sigh*

      The real problem is that they're using cryogenic fuel.

      Seriously, NASA: LOX/LH was a great idea on the drawing board. But it costs a fortune to maintain and is incredibly dangerous. At *least* make future craft LOX/Methane. Will it kill you to lose the 50 or so ISP in exchange for not needing a 20 degrees kelvin fuel that requires quite large and dangerous tanks? You'd lighten up And instead of methane, if you can use propane, that gets even safer and denser, and the ISP cut still isn't that bad. LOX/subcooled propane is a great fuel for "cryogenic, but not too cold, bulky, or dangerous" operation.

      Of course, I still think that spacecraft should be *towed* out of the atmosphere and fueled midair by a line attached to the towing craft at takeoff, combining the best aspects of Rutan's "carrier" design and the "Black Horse" design.. but what do I know? :)

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  3. Russian Spacesuits by Mz6 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    FWIW, I thought it was kind of interesting that these spcesuits are not able to carry jetpacks, like the US ones, should the tether break. Pretty risky if you know you don't have a back up if it breaks. Although it's even more risky not having air.

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    1. Re:Russian Spacesuits by Mz6 · · Score: 1, Interesting
      "I don't know...the tether breaking sounds pretty unlikely; has it ever happened before? I mean, rock climbers don't carry jetpacks either....

      Yes, but the idea behind NASA is having backups for backups. Most times the astronauts rely on having those backups should something happen. I'm so sure it's a good feeling to tell an astronaut, "well, it's pretty unlikely". NO.. You back that system up and say system 1 is pretty unlikely that it might break, but if it does, here is system 2 to back it up.

      Of course rock climbers don't carry jetpakcs. #1, they probably can't afford it and #2, there's no practical use for a rock climber to have it.

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    2. Re:Russian Spacesuits by sunking2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The MMU isn't used anymore do to safety concearns of the high pressure tanks having problems during shuttle lift offs. It actually hasn't been used for quite some time.

      And tethers are much simpler to use, simpler to maintain, and more reliable. They just aren't quite as cool.

  4. Russian space suits... by Shoeler · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Are widely regarded as rugged, tough suits. However, I understand they lack many of the safeguards that their American counterparts have. Anyone know if this is true or my bad recollection? I saw a show on the Discovery channel some time ago that compared the Russian and American space programs. It spoke of how the American program uses multiple redundant systems, while the russians favor rugged, proven gear. It also spoke of how the russians bettered their space program by launching many rockets, knowing their failure rate would be high, but learning from those failures. In comparison the American program launched fewer and did lots of R&D between them.

    Personally I would want to be on the rocket that had a lower percentage of failure and thus would want the American space suit, but perhaps I'm biased. ;)

    1. Re:Russian space suits... by foidulus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It also spoke of how the russians bettered their space program by launching many rockets, knowing their failure rate would be high, but learning from those failures. In comparison the American program launched fewer and did lots of R&D between them.
      There was probably a reason for this during the cold war. While the American media isn't as free as we think it is, they still would have covered something as significant as a rocket launch. Thus if it failed, the Russians could easily find out. However, the Russians were better at keeping their media in check, so if rockets failed, it would be a lot harder for others to know.
      Well, thats my take on it anyway

    2. Re:Russian space suits... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This speaks to the difference between engineering approches in these two cultures. The US scientific culture has leaned towards lots of computational power to construct large models and simulations. Soviet scientific culture was more rooted in analytical solutions, not using computers as their American counterparts much for numerical solutions. This can be easily observed in my field by reading US and Soviet research papers from the 60's, 70's, and 80's. My field btw would be engineering vibrations and modal analysis.

    3. Re:Russian space suits... by mindstrm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Manned russian spacecraft/aircraft have fantastic ejection systems. I saw one video of a rocket explode on the launch pad... a split second before the explosion the pilot hit eject, and they capsule rocketed up and away, FAST, and then parachuted down. though I'm sure that felt like getting hit by a dumptruck to the occupants, it beats burning up in a million or so pounds of rocket fuel.

  5. What to do next by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Interesting
    a problem with its oxygen supply (!), forcing both spacewalkers back to the airlock after less than 15 minutes. Mission control and the ISS crew are still debating what to do next." It should be obvious - take a deep breath!

    Seriously, maybe its time to think of something along the space pods in 2001 with their manipulators. They were cool because they were a realistic solution.

  6. Lucky by shadowcabbit · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's a good thing they caught the oxygen problem before things got worse. Good job, guys.

    This sort of thing demonstrates the need for advances in robotics. An remote-controlled machine could potentially do spacewalk jobs somewhat more easily and far more safely than sending out a human in what boils down to a ziploc bag tied to the station.

    ...But, as long as folks are brave enough to go Out There, I'll still be rooting for them.

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    1. Re:Lucky by arikol · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Definitely, small, purpose built r/c control units could minimize risks alot. Wouldnt remove the needs for spacewalks, but might replace the more standard tasks.

  7. What do you think about the ISS future? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I'm betting on a better than 50% chance they have to abandon the station within 2 years. I'm also betting if NASA says next spring on the Shuttle that that translates to 3 years away.

  8. Re:Another argument against manned spaceflight by arikol · · Score: 2, Interesting

    as has been discussed on /. often, manned spaceflights do jobs which unmanned flights cant. (real time experiments, fixing stuff in orbit etc.)

    Space station usage could be hugely beneficial (and has already given a better understanding of various subjects in fields like medicine and chemistry, like ostereoposis (med.) and crystal formation (chem.)
    However, due to budget cuts, the ISS cant fulfill its role as well as it should.

    Regarding the dangers, we humans have a need to explore and push boundaries. This urge has driven almost all advances since the stone age, it is fundamental to our being.
    Some people are willing to risk their lives for this, others arent.

  9. Re:Just remember by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    USofA uses *obsolete technologies from the 60 and the engineers don't redesign all the system.

    I just love blanket statements like this, they are so generalized it is easy to refute....

    If you mean the shuttle, it was actually 1970's technology and several of the subsystems (main engines, cockpit, etc...) have been updated since then.

    If you mean the fact that components NASA uses are usually based on older technologies, there are reasons for that. First older technologies have failure modes that are better understood. Second, older electronics tend to be more radiation tolerant than the modern stuff because they are bulkier, lower-frequency, and operate higher voltage.

    Regarding the whole redesigning systems matter, all the systems on the ISS were designed specifically for it. They did use information from earlier space craft, but they didn't just drop-in modified shuttle systems!

    I won't comment on your grammar because english might not be your primary language.

  10. Re:And...... by Rei · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While #3 is an urban legend, there is some truth to it. A friend of mine used to be a translator for the US Army, because she spoke fluent Russian. In the 80s, she was selected to take part in one of those disarmament missions in which both sides agree to destroy so many of their missiles, and send inspectors over to ensure that they were destroyed. Of course, both sides destroy their old missiles that they didn't particularly want anyway, so it was really just a PR scheme, but that's besides the point.

    The US teams were sent over with a (relatively) sophisticated laser measuring device. You affix it to a surface or mount it on a stand, aim it, and it will give you a digital readout of the distance to the target. They used this to determine if an area was large enough to contain a treaty-limited item, which meant that they were allowed to inspect there.

    The Russians were very impressed with this. They sent their teams over with a different device. It was called a stick. ;) It was a piece of wood cut to the right length. If the stick fit, they could inspect.

    She gave another example of this. Say you're pulled over in the US. They take your license, and bring it back to their car. There, they enter it into a computerized system that keeps track of the ticket, and then bring your license back to you.

    In the USSR, they took your license. They punched a hole in it. If your license had too many holes, they arrested you. That was their system. :)

    We often accused them of underengineering their products. They often accused us of overengineering our products. Both are probably quite true, and as someone who worked at a defense contractor in the past, I can personally vouch for the latter.

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