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DoJ - Making Data Public Would 'Crash System'

orthogonal writes "The Justice Department today denied Freedom of Information Act requests to make public data on foreign lobbyists, claiming that '[i]mplementing such a request risks a crash that cannot be fixed and could result in a major loss of data, which would be devastating'. The requestor responded that '[t]his was a new one on us. We weren't aware there were databases that could be destroyed just by copying them,' Bob Williams of the Center for Public Integrity said Tuesday. Maybe we should tell John Ashcroft about open source database and copying solutions?"

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  1. Backups by KaSkA101 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hmm, so I guess they don't keep backups of their own data, if making copies of it would cause the data to be lost. I guess we just have to hope (or not) that their computers or hard drives never fail.

  2. I wonder by poofyhairguy82 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Many Justice Department computer systems, especially at the FBI, are considered outdated. The FBI is spending nearly $600 million to modernize its antiquated systems.

    How will the FBI put all that old information on these new systems then?

  3. How Conveeeenient by hondo77 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The government said an overhaul of the system should be finished by December and copies should be available then.

    Not available until after the November election, eh? How conveeeenient.

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  4. This deserves a prize! by eamacnaghten · · Score: 5, Insightful
    My congratulations to the Justice Department - this excuse deserves a prize! Although it is common for people to make excuses that bare no relation to reality, but rarely they show such imagination as this!

    This paces the Justice Department on par with Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf, the recently retired Iraqi Information Minister in it's inovation of repartee in the face of fact!

    I hope they do not copyright this reason as it is so good I think I will use it (if I can) when the circumstances arise.

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  5. uk perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't know quite how these things tend to play in the states, but over here I would read this as "that database on which we spent X millions of your money is in fact total crap and we couldn't find our arses with both hands"

    While most readers will [probably correctly] take this to be a rather poor government whitewash, it could equally be a sign that the government's IT strategy has been fragmented and piecemeal for ages.
    This tends to happen in democratic nations because big IT contracts, like other government contracts, tend to go to companies favoured by the extant administration (despite all the charming fiction about open tendering).
    When a new administration is eventually voted in, it's time for them to pay back various favours to certain friendly companies, and so new expenditure will be announced.

    The end result of this is government departments and organisations each with their own mishmash of systems with no thought at all given to interoperability.
    The chances of them ever getting their shit together enough to collate everything into a massive uber-database with every record on every citizen in the UK is nil, so I'm not that worried.

    Like I said, I don't know the situation in the States vis-a-vis government records, but everywhere in the world, governments all share the same founding principles of confusion and inertia.
    That, and there's waaay more people in the USA. 5x population = at least 5x records = a lot more than 5x complexity.

    All that being said, this remains a transparent and contemptible display of ass-covering by Ashcroft..

  6. Administration marked by lack of transparency by tehanu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One of the scariest things about this administration is the sheer lack of transparency. While all governments like hiding things, this one seems to think that the public has no right to know anything, of course for their own good. Even Congress seems to be out of the info loop! Everytime someone tries to ask them for transparency or information they stonewall them sometimes with ridiculous reasons like this (or by swearing at them aka. our vice-president). Combine this with laws that reduce rights of ordinary citizens (aka. Patriot Act) and how they are trying to increasingly concentrate power in the hands of the President (who seems to think that Congressional and Judicial oversight of his activities is a bad thing) who professes the theory that a President is legally allowed to do anything to foreign and US citizens eg. torture, infinitely holding them, invading a country etc. and the only reason he doesn't do it is because he's nice (rather than because it's say illegal to torture someone) and America is heading towards dangerous waters.

  7. I don't think you understand .... by taniwha · · Score: 5, Insightful

    when he said "will crash the system" he really ment "will crash The System" .... ie having the people know more about what the government is doing is inherently bad for having a well run govt. and besides if we find out who's paying off who it might be made to stop

  8. Re:Well, we could... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wanting Bush gone doesn't make you a Democrat. It makes you sane. Frankly I think Kerry could become one of the worst Presidents this country has ever had to endure, but I'll vote for him enthusiastically because we are currently saddled with the very worst. Ever.

    Yes, I'm an independent. Yes, I've voted for Republicans. Just because you are against one group doesn't mean you are a supporter of their largest competitors. I'd rather there were other viable competitors, but there aren't. Sorry Mr. Nader, the risk of Bush getting re-elected is so high that I can bear to swallow my pride and vote for a candidate that I despise.

    I'm not voting for Kerry--I'm voting against Bush.