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Microsoft Patents Grouped Taskbar Buttons

I_am_Rambi writes "According to the US Patent office, patent #6,756,999 belongs to Microsoft. The patent this time is grouping taskbar icons processes. This is included in Windows XP, and some prior art in X. Looks like it was accepted two days ago."

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  1. BeOS had that in 1999 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    THERE IS prior art.

    BeOS' Tracker had that in 1999 before anyone else. All windows/instances from the same application are showing grouped in the BeOS Deskbar, under the same sub-menu.

  2. Not exactly the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    It seems the big difference is in the 'time threshold' part:

    "The system organizes like application files and clusters the corresponding taskbar buttons and, upon reaching a threshold limit, creates and displays a group button that contains the like application files and removes the like taskbar buttons from the taskbar. Further, upon reaching a second threshold limit, the system ungroups the application taskbar buttons, displays them on the taskbar and removes the group button from the taskbar."

    Big difference? Probably not, but enough for it to be 'new'...

  3. Re:Funding by CaseyB · · Score: 5, Informative

    You don't "file a case" to defeat a patent. You release a product that uses the patented work, and wait for them to come to you.

  4. Re:This isn't obvious by Macadamizer · · Score: 5, Informative

    The problem everyone is hav ing here is that "obvious" doesn't mean "obivous". Sure, maybe it seems obvious to a user, but obvious in the context of patentability has a very specific definition:

    From the Manual of Patent Examining Procedure, section 706.02(j):

    "To establish a prima facie case of obviousness, three basic criteria must be met. First, there must be some suggestion or motivation, either in the references themselves or in the knowledge generally available to one of ordinary skill in the art, to modify the reference or to combine reference teachings. Second, there must be a reasonable expectation of success. Finally, the prior art reference (or references when combined) must teach or suggest all the claim limitations. The teaching or suggestion to make the claimed combination and the reasonable expectation of success must both be found in the prior art and not based on applicant's disclosure. In re Vaeck, 947 F.2d 488, 20 USPQ2d 1438 (Fed. Cir. 1991). See MPEP 2143 - 2143.03 for decisions pertinent to each of these criteria."

    The basic notion is that there must be some prior art, or combination of prior art, that "teaches" EACH AND EVERY claim element in the later patent -- PLUS there has to be a "motivation" to combine them. Just because there is prior art, or because something seems "obvious" to a user, doesn't mean that it meets the LEGAL definition of "obvious" relevant to the USPTO.

    Just thought I would mention that...

    --

    "That's not even wrong..." -- Wolfgang Pauli
  5. Re:KDE... by tackat · · Score: 5, Informative

    Of course I noticed the thread -- especially as the reference featured MY NAME in the first place!

    Of course I was surprised to see that Microsoft seems to patent something that is closely built after my thoughts mentioned on the kde-look mailing list in 1999 already.

    One of the problems with considering my thread as prior art is that unfortunately it was implemented by Matthias Elter some months later. It only turned out during implementation that task grouping only becomes interesting if

    - the user doesn't use virtual desktops already (because he already organizes his tasks himself already)
    - the tasks are only grouped after a certain thresholded is reached.

    It doesn't take to be a genius to get that threshold idea because it's just the logical next step once you implement it but it seems that Microsoft actually implemented my idea before we did and therefore realized this tiny step before us.

    Anyways it's interesting to see how Microsoft seems to monitor the KDE mailinglists since 1997.
    E.g. I had the idea to create kpersonalizer which featured a dialog with a slider which you could easily use to configure the amount of eyecandy versus performance in KDE.
    It was funny to see a very similar dialog in XP Betas two months later which contained almost the same wording in some places :-)
    So much for cross-polluting ideas between KDE and MS developers ;-)