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How Much Java in the Linux World?
jg21 writes "Java is 'incredibly heavily used' in the Linux community, according to Sun's James Gosling, one of Java's co-creators. Gosling was debating Stanford's Lawrence Lessig, Apache co-founder Brian Behlendorf, IBM's Rod Smith, and others at JavaOne this week about the possible merits of open-sourcing Java vs the market's demand for continuing compatibility. But Behlendorf seemed not to agree. So who was right, how many Slashdotters are also Java users? Is "incredibly heavily used" an overstatement by Gosling, who after all helped create the language and therefore might be biased?"
I'm using C++.
It has everything I need - and I can predict how the compiled code will behave.
Java has the *only* advantage, that it has a very powerful library. All other points are either a draw or worse than C++.
(And for the real arguments use Google and search for 'Java C++ flamewar')
Sounds like the same whiners who complain if some ancient piece of hardware isn't supported in the kernel any more, even if it was off the market and essentially obsolete years ago.
When you have something vaguely resembling a 5-year old system with at least 256MB RAM, then you'll have a right to complain about performance. Until then, you're just penny-pinching junk hardware and it's your own damned fault you have performance problems.
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
are you insane? seriously, have you actually used any java program that was a mere small commandline app to say, generate some pics? it really seems like you have not since you claim them to be taking obscene amounts of ram and taking ages to load.
.jar limit and 128kb memory limit....
or are you just trying to ride the mod wave to catch some "java is inherently bloated, always, and eats tons of memory, always, because it's bad and gc is always bad" points(for whatever reason since after getting excellent it really doesn't change to anywhere)?
some java is a big memory hogging babboons should really spend few hours writing a j2me game for some device with 64kb
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Why? Because the problems I solve with scripts do not require the complexity of running them through Java :)
What complexity?
To run BeanShell:
java Bsh.jar
How is that complex?
To run TCL on Java, you put two files into CLASSPATH, then
java tcl.lang.Shell
Is that complex?
If it is, I think you should be careful about what problems you are trying to solve. Stick to simple ones.
or .NET. Those are the only two viable enterprise platforms these days. My company builds enterprise systems for large (Fortune 500) companies. Most of our clients are still Java on Solaris. In the past we did some work for start-ups with cash to burn, and we had a couple of Java on Linux projects. We've also done a few .NET (on Windows of course, no large companies are going to touch Mono anytime soon) though it has always been .NET talking to an Oracle database. Still the most common combination in any industry (finance, staffing, supply chain) is Java/Weblogic on Solaris with an Oracle database. Nothing's really changed in the last four years in that regard.