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Moore Approves Fahrenheit 9/11 Downloads
13.7BillionYears writes "The Sunday Herald reports that Michael Moore has expressed his approval of Fahrenheit 9/11 being downloaded through networks like BitTorrent and eDonkey2000. He also champions a very Lessig-esque outlook in his reasoning. Quentin Tarantino's earlier support for such practices is also mentioned. Meanwhile, Lion's Gate says it has no plans to oppose the practice."
Let freedom ring! Happy 4th of July! Michael Moore cares more about America than our president. Remember, W said,"Others may call you the elite. I call you my base." Time to throw this clown and his whole regime out.
Calling it a documentary doesn't make it one. Not if you say it a thousand times or more.
I suggest you read Slashdot
Michael Moore is a "documentarian" in the same sense that Leni Riefenstahl was a "documentarian", and Fahrenheit 9/11 is a documentary in the same sense that Triumph of the Will was a documentary. (Both movies also won prominent French awards... coincidence?) Fahrenheit 9/11 makes Fox News seem like a bastion of journalistic integrity by comparison.
Michael Moore's arguments lack a logical flow or any direction whatsoever. He seems to just string together a sequence of often unrelated anti-Bush/Iraq War arguments (which have the depth of talking points) hoping to rile up his already anti-Bush/Iraq War audience.
Moore builds his whole argument upon omissions, discarding any and all facts which are not in accordance with his world view. The claim that there are no factual inaccuracies in the movie is partly true; however, this is no great feat, as the movie is filled with omissions, innuendos, and logical fallacies (post hoc ergo propter hoc, etc). For example, I could very easily convince someone with no knowledge of 20th century European History that Hitler was a great guy, simply through omissions and without making one factually inaccurate statement i.e. Hitler was a great connoisseur of art; his love of art lead to him amassing a great art collection, spanning art from all over Europe. Hitler also implemented economic policies which restored Germany's shattered economy and made Germany into one of the most powerful economic powers of its time. He was much loved by his people, and took great pride in his heritage, etc, etc, etc. I'm sure my point has become evident, and I no longer need to pursue this perverted example.
Moore is well known for his editing prowess, and I have no reason to believe that he does not continue using his "skills" in Fahrenheit 9/11. There are several well known instances of Moore's editing in Bowling For Columbine i.e. Heston's tie changing colours, the clip of Heston's speech not being the one he gave right after Columbine, but rather a different one altogether (1st Google Result on Query), etc. I'm sure there are many other examples in both movies.
Moore makes several assertions in Fahrenheit 9/11 which not only make no logical sense, but also contradict with other statements he made in the movie. Moore mentions the well documented effort on Saddam's behalf to murder George H. W. Bush (probably intended as an argumentum ad hominem), then he refers to the sovereign nation of Iraq, which had never threatened or harmed a single American life. Ok, let's see, Moore himself admits that Saddam tried to kill H. W. Bush. Furthermore, Iraq invaded Kuwait, and constantly threatened Saudi Arabia and Israel. First of all, there are plenty of Americans in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Israel. Furthermore, plenty of American lives were lost in Desert Storm, which was clearly in response to a war of unilateral aggression on Saddam's behalf (then again, Moore may very well oppose Desert Storm, as well as England and France declaring war on Germany when they invaded Poland... who knows). After the end of Desert Storm, Americans remained in the region and constantly flew sorties to enforce the no-fly zones in the north and south of Iraq and make sure they minimized the number of Kurds and Shiites massacred by Saddam and his gang of (Sunni) thugs. Anyways, the Iraqis constantly attempted to shoot down the American planes that were merely enforcing the UN sanctioned No-fly Zones. (Seems like threatening American lives to me.)
Ok, moving on... Moore attempts to make it seem like there is no link between Saddam and international terrorism, where in reality Saddam offered USD $10000-20000 to the family members of Palestinian suicide bombers (what a great guy) (Google Link, scroll down)
Uttering logically derived and empirically supported truths to the disciples of the orthodox establishment.
I wouldn't see his anti-American film if it was free. It's pure shit folks.
And this drivel about him being such a great guy...have you not heard the interviews from his formar staff? He made them work 12 - 16 hour days with no breaks, while he sat on his fat ass & ate pizza & such. He's in this for the $$ & you suckers are giving it to him.
who would ever want to waste their disk space with propaganda?
Go ahead and suppress dissent. You'll only be proving your liberal bona fides. You aren't interested in the truth, only in pushing your nutty-conspiracy political agenda.
Really, it's very sad that the Left has swooned for such a thoroughly discredited movie. Is there an honest case for leftism in this election? We won't find out as long as we're arguing about Michael Moore.
When I'm singing a ballad and a pair of underwear lands on my head, I hate that. It really kills the mood.
-Tom Jones
It's a movie - so your answer is, "of course."
Your terse reply indicates that you dislike my argument and probably dislike me as well. You probably don't think that I deserve much thought or attention, and that's led you to write something really stupid.
"Of course [it deserves a Golden Palm]"
Okay, suppose I make a movie which states that brutal black men rape innocent, beautiful white women 500,000 times a year and get away with it. I show one scene of a white woman who has actually been raped by a black man and really tug some heart strings with it. If I can make that scene passionate enough, would this film deserve a Golden Palm despite the fabricated (and quite distasteful) bullshit that I included?
I don't make the rules. I just make fun of them.
God DAMN the Anonymous COWARDS are getting soooooo creative. How long did it take you to think that up? Weeks? Months? Man, it was worth it, though. It sure showed me. I was obviously so wrong for loving Roger & Me, Bowling For Columbine, TV Nation, the The Awful Truth, Stupid White Men, Dude Where's My Country? and now Farenheit 9/11
Thank you for showing me the light with your incredible brilliance and your amazing anonymous bravery. If only the world were made up of more people like yourself, we wouldn't have to worry about challenging any of our beliefs.
Mostly because no one would be able to read past a 3rd grade level.
Dude, you are like so freaking right, man! Let's stick it to the Bush Evil Empire. Who cares if truth was thrown out the window. Its all about getting the unelected Chimp out of the White House.
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
I love it. It's so frequent. You can't attack my argument, so you go for the "weak point" by attacking my .sig. Did you think that I wouldn't be able to defend my point of view (which is skepticism by the way)?
Yes, genius, tens of millions of Africans are being poisoned by the antiviral drugs they're not taking.
I suppose that if you'd read further in the site, you'd realize that African "AIDS" and North American "AIDS" are quite, quite different. You'd also learn that the AIDS cases in Africa were ESTIMATED, not tested. In other words, "well-meaning" scientists have guessed that X million people in Africa have AIDS.
If Moore's film were actually full of shit, like you say,
Except that I didn't say that. Feel free to beat up strawmen, but it won't convince me to your point of view.
then people would just ignore it like hundreds of other documentaries.
That's stupid. If the facts are wrong but it's really "moving" and "passionate," then people will see it. This is how fiction works.
People only get this defensive when they know deep down inside that they're wrong.
That's not the "only" reason as you self-consolingly proclaim. Another reason that the Republicans could be all pissed-off is because people are being swayed by emotional arguments instead of facts. Do you remember how all the liberals were upset over "The Passion of the Christ"? That was another fictional movie, but it was very passionate and moving. It caused a mini-revival of sorts. I think both movies are stupid for the same reason: they rely on cheap sentimentality instead of facts and reason to convince people to their point of view. It's effective, but irritating to folks like me who reject superstition and emotion for the sake of promoting reason and evidence.
I don't make the rules. I just make fun of them.
And calling the republican party human doesn't make it so. Not if you say it a thousand times or so.
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What? Because the French have won some?
Wasn't the only war the americans won the War of Independence (and they were part of the British Empire at thetime..!)
Since when did the American Right Wing do anything to benefit humanity? Seems to me they are do busy lining their pocket and pursuing their own selfish goals.
Even when they do something that on its face looks like it might help some human beings (school vouchers for poor kids), its really just a front for thier real agenda (pushing their religion with government money).
http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-i n-Fahrenheit-911.htm
He supports terrorist funding for his movie to be shown in the middle east. He is the master of misinformation and I feel sorry for anyone believing such garbage information. Read the link above and you might get an idea that the entire movie is based on pure unresearched errors.
Have you ever been happy? Don't give examples, HOW DO YOU MEASURE IT?
What does this have to do with philosophy? Everyone has purely subjective feelings. But founding a philosophy on those same subjective feelings that must be THE TRUTH FOR ALL HUMANITY is stupid. And that's my point. How can something be the truth for all humanity if it's subjective?
If you want to see what qualifies as "ruining people's lives" rent the film Roger & Me.
Again, how do you measure it? You gave me a movie that has examples, which I already indiciated would not convince me.
Why am I bothering to debate someone who doesn't believe that AIDS exists?
Well, that was an easy way out! Doesn't it suck when people ask you the nitty-gritty details of your belief structure and you find you can't defend it?
Mind you, I *do* believe that immune deficiency exists and that people die from it. But, examining the many changing claims of the AIDS church has left me with questions, not answers, about the "HIV==AIDS" theory.
I don't make the rules. I just make fun of them.
Is that why F9-11 was the number 1 movie in the US for the past week?
Yes, triumphing by a scant $2 mil over the much anticipated White Chicks, which Ebert called the worst film of the year. What an accomplishment for Michael Moore.
He has betrayed his fellow countrymen by making documentaries with questionable facts. But Bush is a brave man for making up lies to help him get support for war.
This is hilarious! Because the president didn't jump up and run out of the schoolhouse he made an entire elementary school of kids targets? LOL! Are you assuming that the terrorists had real time data on the presidents exact location?
Oh and whenever an airplane crashes somewhere the president of the united states should cancel all appointments to wait for more info? Geez, he would never get anything done if all he did was "wait for more info" whenever something bad happens.
Your demand that the president personally do something to stop those planes is laughable. He has an entire military to do those things. And to do anything other than ground all air traffic would be irresponsible, without clear knowledge of who what where and when.
You should really step back and take a long hard look at yourself and the way you think, try to be honest with yourself and admit that there is nothing more he could have done that day. If you think there is, then come up with a detailed explanation of what he should have done and how. Take into to account not only the specific data he had knowledge of that proved to be relevant after all the facts are in but all the threat knowledge he had that ~could~ have been relevant based on only the info he had at the time. And that is that a plane had crashed into the world trade center.
Name the action the president could have taken that Michael Moore could not present in a critical light. Sadly there is no act that the america hater would not criticize.
I for one will never critisize a person in charge of the largest military in the world for waiting until he knows the whole story before acting.
Of course if it happened while Clinton was in the White House we could have just launched a couple of tomahawks into the desert in Afghanistan and called it even...lol
Quebecers aren't French, and Britain was at war with France for a large part of its history. What happened in the US is a uniquely American habit of throwing tantrum when things don't go their way, coupled with the belief that they are the pinnacle of civilization and can do no wrong.
"I use a Mac because I'm just better than you are."
If he doesn't care if folks can DL it for free why the hell release it into the theaters for $7-8 bucks a pop?? Greed. Kinda ironic since he makes light of the fact the Bush's are rich and such in the movie. Remember propaganda from the left or right should be FREE.
Hey dumbass, it's called a dictionary, use it:
Main Entry: mov*ie
Pronunciation: 'm*-vE
Function: noun
Etymology: moving picture
1 : MOTION PICTURE
2 plural: a showing of a motion picture
3 plural: the motion-picture medium or industry
Main Entry: doc*u*men*ta*ry(1)
Pronunciation: "d*-ky&-'men-t&-rE, -'men-trE
Function: adjective
1: being or consisting of documents: contained or certified in
writing
2: of, relating to, or employing documentation in literature or
art; broadly : FACTUAL, OBJECTIVE
By definition it CAN be and IS both a movie AND documentary, didn;t you notice the signs documents? and 3-rd party video and audio?
Of course this blame should be placed on the American School system, to which Bushs answer was to build 600 prisons and only ONE school in Texas a number of years ago. That your hero.
Fahrenheit 9/11 is not a documentary. Documentaries are supposed to be objective and let the audience come to their own conclusions. Moore force feeds us his opinion.
The extreme left crowd is...
/. board minders being extreme left? No, just the stupid left. There is a distinction there, just as there are a bunch of stupid extremes to the right
Quite willing to tell you that they should be allowed to spend your money where they think its needed regardless of your belief.
Quite willing to tell you that you have no right to tell anyone you disagree with their morals.
Quite willing to tell you that God has no business being interjected into society and any attempt is a violation of Church and State separation (which does not exist in the Constitution btw)
Quite willing to spew hatred, lies, and name calling to somehow invalidate a persons opinion or actions. This is especially true when they cannot refute the person or their ideas on factual grounds.
Quite willing to use minority groups against each other and the other side to further promote their goals while never solving the problems faced by the same groups (else the groups would not need them! - iow race baiters)
Quite willing to use class warfare, claiming the rich got their without working, but actually only taxing those who do earn their wealth (as most these class warfare people are inherited money or hollywood money). Their other favorite claim is that corporations don't pay enough taxes when in reality no corporation pays any tax - its just embedded onto the consumer)
On the other side of the coin, the extreme right is
Quite willing to inflict their sense of religious values on your and force you to adhere to them
Quite will to push their values in your face in printed and physical form
Quite willing to blame you for your situation regardless of any true circumstances beyond your control (however they are right if you don't try and remedy it yourself)
Quite willing to give money to businesses to generate jobs regardless of true economic benefit.
Quite willing to buy votes with bogus spending programs just as the left does.
Quite willing to spend your money where they see fit even if you totally disagree with it.
Quite willing to block your access to material of questionable content, but they set the standards.
As far as the
* Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.