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Cassini Shatters Titan Theories

Dozix007 writes "The Herald reports: Cassini pierced the haze around Titan, Saturn's biggest moon, revealing details that have shattered theories about its composition. It has atmosphere and soil similar to primordial Earth and may contain the building blocks of life. Scientists believed bright patches on its surface seen earlier were pure water ice. But the first infrared images taken by Cassini revealed water ice as dark patches because it is mixed with material that may be organic, raining on to the surface."

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  1. Re:building blocks of life.... again... by jabberjaw · · Score: 4, Informative

    I suggest that you read more about the Cassini-Huygens mission. The mission objective is to study Saturn as a whole. Searching for life is not the mission's purpose.

  2. a quibble and some other comments by barakn · · Score: 4, Informative
    But the first infrared images taken by Cassini revealed water ice as dark patches because it is mixed with material that may be organic, raining on to the surface.

    These certainly are not the first infrared images taken by Cassini, not even the first of Titan, which were taken in mid April.

    It was the earlier images, earth-based images, and the errant idea that the dark areas were ethane oceans which convinced the Cassini-huygens team to choose this landing ellipse. Now that they know different, one wonders whether they'll modify the plan.

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  3. Re:NASA Funding by cnkeller · · Score: 3, Informative
    Because the un-manned exploration of space is run through JPL not directly through NASA.

    JPL is part of NASA, it's just run by the folks from UC (yes, that's an anomaly and in this case it seems to work very well). They get their funding from the same places the rest of us do, ie the overall NASA budget which has slightly increased this year if I recall correctly.

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  4. What good would that do? by ArsSineArtificio · · Score: 3, Informative
    If this were made possible I'm sure thousands of people would gladly donate money every year.

    Supposing "thousands" did donate money every year... let's be amazingly optimistic and say that 10,000 people donated $100 apiece (which is probably an order of magnitude too high).

    That would raise $1,000,000 for NASA. Which is absolutely peanuts. That's enough to replace a few space shuttle tiles, or complete half of a small mission feasibility study.

    NASA is a government agency. Government agencies waste a titanic amount of money in bureaucratic overhead. Donating money to a government agency is a waste of money.

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  5. Re:NASA Funding by RayBender · · Score: 4, Informative
    Because the un-manned exploration of space is run through JPL not directly through NASA.

    JPL is part of NASA, it's just run by the folks from UC

    Actually, JPL is run by Caltech for NASA. Funding for JPL comes from NASA.

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  6. Re:Ethical questions by Jesrad · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Earth receives 164 Watts per squared meter of light power from the Sun, and Titan's illumination is 1/90 that of earth, so it receives 1.82 Watts per squared meters. This heat power is sufficient to sustain a methane cycle which is comparable to the water cycle on Earth, with methane evaporating in the atmosphere, condensing to form clouds then dropping back to the ground in raindrops or snowflakes. I don't think anyone can say for sure whether it's enough power to sustain or develop life.

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  7. Re:Europa vs Titan by CDS · · Score: 4, Informative

    it's because they sterilized the probe they are sending to Titan, but the spacecraft they sent into Jupiter was NOT fully sterilized -- they couldn't guarantee there would be no contamination, so they took the safe approach.

    With Huygens, they can be much more confident they will not accidentally contaminate anything.

  8. Re:Lets try realistic numbers. by ArsSineArtificio · · Score: 3, Informative
    There are more than 300 million in the states. If 1% donated, that would be 3 million. If the average was $10 each, that would be 30 Million. It would help

    To start with, the population of the United States of America is approximately 293 million as of July 2004. The number of individual taxpayers is significantly less, because large portions of that 293 million do not file a federal personal income tax return (because they are minors, because they have no income, or for some other reason). Your figure of 300 million potential donors is thus unrealistically high.

    But, let us say for the sake of argument that your figures are correct, and that this donations campaign raised $30 million. How much would that "help"?

    Well, it would fund 1% of the annual cost of the Shuttle program. Or about 0.92% of the Cassini mission. Or about 0.3% of a space elevator. As I said, peanuts.

    The real issue is that the current admin (and probably other ones) will fight this. They want total control of how money is spent.

    I would earnestly hope that this or any other Presidential administration would have 'total control' over how its employees were spending their budgets. Wouldn't you?

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  9. Re:Lets try realistic numbers. by ArsSineArtificio · · Score: 4, Informative
    The President is not in charge of NASA's budget, Congress is.

    Congress is in charge of allocating NASA's budget. The President is in charge of overseeing its expenditure. That's the difference between the legislative and the executive functions.

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  10. Re:2001 by ReciprocityProject · · Score: 3, Informative

    Does anyone else find it interesting that in the original draft of 2001: A Space Odyssey, the craft is bound for one of the moons of Saturn as opposed to Europa as was portrayed in the movie. Now after some preliminary exploring Europa we find that Europa's a dud and the easy-bake life mix is in fact on Titan.

    In the book of 2001: A Space Odyssey, they do go to Saturn. The plot is more or less the same as the movie, with Arthur C. Clarke's bonus technical details, except that the monolith is located on the surface of mysterious Iapetus, which the book clearly indicated was an artificial satellite built for the purpose of housing the monolith. When Dave Bowman emerged from the other side, there was an identical moon with an identical monolith.

    You might want to read it.

    I, for the record, predict that past or present life exists on every massive body in the solar system that has or ever had a reasonably dense atmosphere and geological activity. I wouldn't be surprised if self-replicating molecules inhabit most comets, although I guess they freeze to death pretty quickly after leaving the inner solar system.

  11. Red Giant = No Atmosphere by ink · · Score: 3, Informative

    Except for the fact that Titan's atmosphere will be destroyed by the sun when it becomes a red giant. Titan doesn't have enough mass to sustain an Earth-like atmosphere at Earth-like temperatures; the only reason it has one now is becuase of the extremely low temperatures keep the kinetic engery under control.

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  12. Re:Interesting by CodeMonkey4Hire · · Score: 3, Informative

    The probability of this happening is extremely low. The amount of extra energy required for an asteroid to achieve a delta orbit from Earth all the way out to Saturn is huge. It is much more probably, though still unlikely, [if life were to exist on Titan] that a life-bearing asteroid would travel from Titan to Earth.

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