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Professor Creates His Own Cisco Manual

yootje writes "ZDnet is running a story about a professor who made his own Cisco networking textbook, with 800 pages: "Computing instructor Matt Basham's suggestions for improving Cisco Systems' official training manuals fell on deaf ears for years. But he appears to have the networking giant's attention now." The professor made his book available for free on his website."

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  1. as html by dncsky1530 · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's quite strange that it is not a PDF file.
    but is anyone wants the 5 meg html version it here

  2. Re:Still Wondering by rpbailey1642 · · Score: 5, Informative

    You're exactly right about getting kick-backs, as well as the fact that they collect royalties for every book they put out. My Biology teacher is friends with the author of my Biology book (this is the reason that we use it, actually) and he has stated that to stay current with the class, you need the new book. Unless, you're really cheap, in which case, you'll need to know that Chapter Five is now Chapter Seven, and other trifle changes like that. At $100 a pop, these guys are milking college students (and their delicious scholarships) for as much as they can.

  3. Re:Eeeeek... -- Looks good in OpenOffice 1.1.2 by invisik · · Score: 4, Informative

    Seemed to open fine (After a while!) in OpenOffice Writer 1.1.2. Haven't opened in actual Word to compare formatting, but looks reasonable to me. No complaints here.

    -m

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  4. Re:Eeeeek... by mhifoe · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you already have Word, PDFCreator can give better results.

  5. Re:Eeeeek... by Short+Circuit · · Score: 3, Informative

    Be sure to change it to a readable set of fonts first...non-anti-aliased text in PDFs is just plain ugly.

    Also...I've noticed that sometimes opening Word documents created in OpenOffice end up with "unsupported characters" everywhere. What causes that?

  6. Re:Eeeeek... by October_30th · · Score: 2, Informative
    Oh the horror... The horror...

    And why is that? You can download a free Word viewer here.

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  7. Re:Near monopolies considered harmful by sporty · · Score: 2, Informative

    If i remember correctly, Juniper is supposed to have a substancial share of the market. Something in the realm of a quarter.

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  8. Re:Eeeeek... by komejo · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you register at Lulu, the free download is a PDF.

  9. Great pricing scheme by Mark_Uplanguage · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've seen some of the initial comments here and if you notice that the price of the book is $25 for the printed version, of which Mr. Basham get's $5 (20%) and the publisher gets the rest. Honestly I don't have the time to figure out what LuLu.com's expenses might be (since I have no idea the cost of bandwidth to download 5MB), but this seems like a VERY valid business model for homegrown authors to go to. Good luck to LuLu.com and my they break open the gates of good reading at reasonable costs!!!

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  10. Re:finally by Jacer · · Score: 2, Informative

    The OSI model is used to describe the function of a network. TCP/IP can be mapped exactly to the OSI model as a four layer stack. So, academic tool or not, it's a standarized way to teach, that helps you branch off into TCP/IP, Netware, any other protocol.

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  11. Re:This should happen more often by thammoud · · Score: 4, Informative

    Neither Java nor .Net are EMCA standards. C# is.

  12. Re:This should happen more often by farzadb82 · · Score: 5, Informative
    "Java and .Net are ECMA standards"

    I don't know where you got your info from but Java is NOT ECMA standardized and as for .net, only the CLR and C# langauge are ECMA standardized.

  13. Cisco books... by !ramirez · · Score: 4, Informative

    Cisco Press books are, without a duobt, the best technical manuals (from a manufacturer) that I have yet read. Anyone who simply bashes on the 'networking academy' crap is doing a serious disservice to the legions of people who have progressed far beyond that simple standard of networking knowledge.

    I imagine that a large number of people who have never read Jeff Doyle's "Routing TCP/IP" Vols. I & II, or Kennedy Clark's "Cisco LAN Switching" will comment about this article - read any dense technical manual by either of the above, or Bassam Halabi, or Priscilla Oppenheimer, or any non-entry level book, and see what I mean.

    Besides, all of the entry-level Cisco knowledge focuses on the OSI model and BASIC network troubleshooting. If you REALLY wanted to learn that and not be led by the hand thru a technical school, you would read "TCP/IP Illustrated" by W. Richard Stevens.

    1. Re:Cisco books... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      You should try IBM books. They are FREE!

      The TCP/IP overview is one of the best book of the subject.

      www.redbooks.ibm.com

  14. Re:Still Wondering by Omega+Leader-(P12) · · Score: 3, Informative

    As the son of a university professor I know my dad and his professor friends have gotten tons of books from publishers free.

    They simply see a book they like, call up the publisher and identify who they are who they work for and they have a class of 300+ stupid first year students next semester/year and the reading material is not set for this course yet.

    They then drop the names of a book from a competitor and say they have recently read that. By noon the next day there is a fed ex. package with a letter listing all the benefits of this book over the competitors plus illustrating the "deal" they have with the university and what the price for the students would be and how their price would be much lower than the competitor.

    Often there are additional books related to the topic "they feel would make excellent supplementary material". I have most of these books cause they get shuffled around.

    And if they know a professor is using the 2nd edition of a text and the third is coming out. A copy of the third will arrive free for "review", again with a list of advantages over the old edition.

    Somewhere they must have a list of professors and what they teach. They also know who teaches first-year classes cause they get the best review books.

    It makes sense, one free book to convince a professor to force 300-700 students who have to buy your book. That's a good return on investment. Unethical, no not really, and lucrative in all the cool free books that they send out.

  15. Re:This should happen more often by BigBir3d · · Score: 5, Informative

    RTFA:

    <quote>Before publishing the book on his own, Basham said he had contacted Cisco Press about publishing it, but it wasn't interested. After his free book appeared online last week, however, the company contacted him via e-mail requesting a meeting to discuss the program at St. Petersburg College.

    Company spokeswoman Goodwin said that Cisco is always looking for ways to improve the program.

    She said that although instructors are required to teach the Cisco Academy curriculum, they are welcome to supplement it as necessary. She also emphasized that none of the Cisco Academy students are required to buy any of the textbooks from Cisco.

    "Cisco has a long-standing relationship with St. Petersburg College," she said. "And we have a process-oriented quality assurance program with the (Cisco) Academy where we work collaboratively with institutions to solicit feedback. We are continually making improvements based on customer needs."</quote>

    Cisco obviously thinks this is as cool as most of us think it is.

  16. here it is in HTML form by ChrisCampbell47 · · Score: 4, Informative
    For those of you who refuse to download MS Word docs off the web (due to virus payload concerns), repeat after me: "Google is your friend"

    After clicking on a link below, click on "View as HTML" on the resulting page.

    Preface:
    http://www.google.com/search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sp college.edu%2Fstar%2Fcisco%2FMatt%2Fpreface.doc

    Textbook:
    http://www.google.com/search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sp college.edu%2Fstar%2Fcisco%2FMatt%2Ftextbook.doc *

    It's a gigantic HTML file and may give your browser fits, but at least it's not a MS Word doc file.

    [* looks like Google hasn't parsed that big doc into HTML yet, maybe they will soon now :) ]

  17. Re:Still Wondering by CGP314 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just as a plug, free textbooks can be found over at Wikibooks

  18. Re:Stop your bashing. by uss_valiant · · Score: 3, Informative
    Offer him your help and write it in LaTex.
    Currently only available in German, but IWM ProWord turns MS Word into a very professional and efficient text editor.
    It eliminates the drawbacks of MS Word (can handle easily large (>500 pages) documents, ...) and introduces features as true templating and a fast keyboard only menu.
  19. Re:This should happen more often by MoonFog · · Score: 4, Informative

    Cisco's software is completely different. Add to the fact that they may not normally allow unlicensed books about their software, and you've got a sticky situation.

    What you're basically saying is that you cannot write about how you configure a Cisco router? What about books like these ? I would be very surprised if Cisco demanded licencse from the "Dummies" series, just as an example.

    And just to add to what the others have said, Java and VB .Net are not ECMA standards. Sun has kept a tight grip around Java so as not to loose control over it, there are still hundreds of books available on Java.

  20. Re:Near monopolies considered harmful by silas_moeckel · · Score: 2, Informative

    Juniper has a big market share at the mid high end as thats where they fit, your not seeing junipers replaces 26xx gear as they dont have the convergent techs to do so (IP, Voice, Dial IN/OUT, Fax, intergrated switches, IDS etc etc etc) I think by dollar ammount for core routing juniper is doing realy well but it's not trickling down into the 2-5k a pop branch office router/switch/pbx/blender that everybody seems to be installing.

    BTW I thin the cisco press books are actualy quite good on a lot of subjects, they dont baby you and the get the point accross. They dont put out cisco for dummies.

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  21. PDF File by sagenumen · · Score: 5, Informative

    I converted the MS Word to a PDF and it is available on my school's server. They are going to hate me:

    http://www.lehigh.edu/~mlt3/textbook.pdf

  22. Re:This should happen more often by amaffew · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's actually a bit of a misquote...the people who come here are expected to know their way around a desktop and the internet...those are both very vital skills to succeed. We do tell them to go take the entire AS degree plan too...the A+, MCP, 2 courses in Linux, the CCNA and the CCNP (plus gen ed stuff)...Matt

  23. Re:Still Wondering by pete-classic · · Score: 3, Informative
    What am I not seeing here?


    Oh! Oh! I know! That the government isn't the answer to all problems?

    But that's just the Libertarian in me talking.

    In all seriousness, if you really think that this is a good idea consider pitching in to make it happen. I have my own project to this end, the Free Curriculum Project.

    I also help out a bit with another, Free High School Science Texts.

    I know that both or either project would sincerely appreciate your help.

    Both are focused on High School texts. Mine is biased to the United States of America, the other is South African.

    -Peter
  24. Re:Still Wondering by enjo13 · · Score: 2, Informative

    IANAUPBMWI (I am not a university professor but my wife is), but I would REALLY like to know how you get signed up for these kickbacks. After 4 years of PhD school it would sure be nice to get a little something extra back from that investment.

    It is true that she receives more textbooks every year than she can possibly read/investigate, at least for her changing a text book is more a very deliberate process. She's an Accounting professor, and she does change text books quite often. However, instead of some really great kick back scheme, she makes those changes because the standards of practices of the accounting profession are in near constant change. Outside of the basic principles classes, a text book only a couple of years old contains out of date and often misleading information.

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  25. Word?! Yikes. by muonzoo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Surely if you wanted to typeset / author a book these days, Word wouldn't be your first choice of editor. Especially in acadameia. Docbook, LaTeX, even the ROFF family would seem more portable in terms of generating useful output. Oh well.

    Once upon a time, Word really stuggled with documents over 256 pages. I'm sure that's fixed, but what about revision control, and single point of truth? Surely it has to be a pain to incorporate all your examples in the Word document as copies of what you were really using.

    Does someone have a good place to chuck it in PDF form? I'd be quite happy to render it from Word to PDF. (At least that's slightly less evil).

  26. Re:finally by illumin8 · · Score: 4, Informative
    Can tend to throw the beginning student off, especially considering the OSI model is not much more than an academic tool anyway, TCP/IP is were its at in the 'real world'.

    It's good to know how the OSI model works, especially when troubleshooting tricky layer 2, 3, and 4 network issues. That being said, when I took the CCNA test they only had about 2 questions on it. They were something like "Which of the following are layers in the OSI model" or something really basic like that. Anyway, my instructor had a really good way to remember the OSI model that I still remember to this day (took the class in 1997):

    All People Seem To Need Data Processing.

    The letters in this saying correspond very nicely with the layers in the OSI model:

    Application

    Presentation

    Session

    Transport

    Network

    Data Link

    Physical

    Hope this helps those of you studying for your CCNAs (judging by enrollment numbers in these college courses, there's a lot of you.)

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  27. Save your school by EvilStein · · Score: 4, Informative

    here is another mirror, on what is probably a much much faster pipe. :)

    (could only squeeze 48K/sec off your school..)

  28. Re:What about other textbooks by salutor · · Score: 2, Informative

    To some extent I can speak for Bob Young on this subject--the pricing situation with textbooks was very much the impetus for him to start Lulu.com. We are all in agreement on the problem.

    Two points worth noting, however: when we (Lulu.com) talk to professors about textbook publishing, they broadly express the same concerns that you and others do about the books having become too expensive. Our experience is that professors are so interested in making cheaper books available to students that they are more likely to want to give away their IP than to sell it. From a Lulu perspective, we support their right to give it away, but if we are going to survive as a business we also hope that some authors of valuable content will charge something for their work.

    The other thing I would point out is that it's actually the college bookstores that prevent the textbook publishers from offering downloads of textbooks. Believe it or not, they're acting the villain in this saga to some extent by pressuring the publishers not to disintermediate sales (I think that's the right word--but you get the idea).


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  29. Re:Oracle Benchmark Perallel? by ckaminski · · Score: 2, Informative

    Benchmark information is not the same as functional descriptions. There are LOTS of 3rd party Oracle books available at bookstores.

    The benchmark restriction is because benchmarks are relative, and not necessarily indicative of performance. "SELECT * FROM table" is not relative. It does what it says.

  30. -1: Retarded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Seriously. People who modded that shit up: what the fuck?

  31. Word file? by Thaelon · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm appalled. Not because it's a Microsoft product, but because Word does such a shoddy job of handling large files. It should have been written in LaTeX, then published as a post script or pdf. For those not familiar, Word chokes on that 5MB file. You can write entire books in LaTeX (or magazines since those technically contain more data).

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  32. Re:This book sucks by amaffew · · Score: 3, Informative

    Keep reading...that is the stuff for the section on "Networking Fundamentals." MPLS? Come on...this is a CCNA book...that comes later in CCNP...there are tons of books out there at the CCNP and CCIE level some are good and most are bad...not too many people try to write the entry level stuff because you have such a wide audience with such a variety of learning styles...you really have to cover all the bases...later on you will see some more fun stuff like writing a pseudo-protocol inspector using ACL's and closing security holes with ACLS...that certainly does not appear in Cisco's curriculum. I do appreciate the comments...the new book has the same stuff for 95/98 because a lot of schools still use them, but I have also added a section on Windows 2K/ME/XP and one on using Knoppix. Hey, I had to start somewhere. Input is what will make this "ok" book even better! Thanks again!

  33. Re:This should happen more often by k98sven · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's simpler than that. You don't even need a clean room to simply describe something, even patented and licensed somethings.

    No you don't, but you need to know what it is you are describing.
    I was thinking along the lines of (say) of undocumented Windows APIs.
    Leaving anti-trust issues aside, and just assuming that these undocumented APIs had trade-secret status, a Microsoft employee could not publish them without consent from MS. And everyone else couldn't 'just know' what they were.

    So you'd then have to reverse-engineer them, and to do so legally, not use any priviliged information. And indeed, it's been done, without MS being able to do anything about it.

    Auto parts is no problem, they're protected by patents as you noted, and patents are a stronger form of protection:
    There is no economic threat in having all information public (indeed patent applications are public), because noone else is allowed to make or use the part (for the given purpose) without license.

  34. Re:This should happen more often by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    Or if you don't want to read the whole thing, the key sentence is:


    V. Conclusion

    We hold that: (1) Quaid did not infringe Vault's exclusive right to reproduce its program in copies under 106(1); (2) Quaid's advertisement and sale of RAMKEY does not constitute contributory infringement; (3) RAMKEY does not constitute a derivative work of Vault's program under 106(2); and (4) the provision in Vault's license agreement, which prohibits the decompilation or disassembly of its program, is unenforceable.