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Microsoft Responds to IE Criticism

darthcamaro writes "Looks like there was an online free-for-all on Microsoft's chat servers yesterday with Internet Explorer engineers. Several interesting things come out in the story including the fact that the IE big wig thinks that all of his engineers should have other browsers installed to see what they can do and, catch this...he thinks they're the underdog. 'I've worked at Microsoft for 14 years and I have always felt like the underdog,' said Hachamovitch. 'Maybe the road behind us looks easy, but at the time going it wasn't. I welcome the feedback today. Getting informed is the only way I know to get better. The day we don't get heated feedback I'll be concerned.'" Reader nkodengar notes that "Microsoft has posted an article on MSDN listing everything that will be affected by the the updates to Internet Explorer in Service Pack 2. This will be particularly important to developers who use ActiveX controls, pop-up windows and file download counters in their websites..."

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  1. hey by beeswax · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Most of our mothers probably don't even realize that IE is not "the Internet".

    Wait... are you telling me IE is not "the internet"?

    I think you are on to something.

  2. Innovation by Giant+Ape+Skeleton · · Score: 4, Funny
    They should really strive to maintain IE's cutting-edge status by incorporating innovative features such as:

    tabbed browsing
    popup blocking
    mouse gestures

    Incorporate stuff like that and get a jump on the competition...

    Oh, wait....nevermind.

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  3. underdog by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now we see the denial inherent in the system. The delusion apparently goes to the bone. Mean old Department of Justice, picking on nice little Micro$oft... at least the big bad government giant is sleeping now.

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  4. I, for one, by GillBates0 · · Score: 5, Funny
    'I welcome the feedback today. Getting informed is the only way I know to get better. The day we don't get heated feedback I'll be concerned."

    am willing to take the responsibility of repeatedly kicking them in the nuts if it'll make them develop better code.

    I didn't know they welcome the 'heated feedback'. Poor things...all they had to do was ask.

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    An Indian-American Hindu committed to non-violent thought/speech/action alarmed by the global explosion of radical Islam
  5. Underdog by manavendra · · Score: 3, Funny

    For the size of Microsoft, that's quite an underdog!

    Wonder how it got there?... oh, bad programming practices for one! :-)

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  6. Re:Microsoft are lying to us by carcosa30 · · Score: 5, Funny

    someone needs a hug

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  7. Re:Microsoft the underdog. by nizo · · Score: 2, Funny
    It seems like a logical thing to tell your employees. I guess they leave out the specifics of exactly where they would be classified as the underdog.

    Well if you look at browser usage on a galactic scale, they probably have only a tiny portion of the potential browser market. Seriously, how can anyone working at Microsoft feel like an underdog? Do they have daily beatings or something? Whoa look out now, 2% of the people out there have started using some other browser.....

  8. Re:Microsoft are lying to us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't want an invite, but I'll tell a joke anyway.

    A man walks into the bar and orders up 6 shots of vodka.
    The bartender says "woah! Six! What's the occasion?"
    The man says "well, my first blowjob actually."
    Bartender: "Hah! Well i'll give you a seventh shot on the house."
    Man: "No thanks... if six vodka shots won't get the taste out of my mouth, nothing will."

  9. Re:Microsoft are lying to us by Glog · · Score: 4, Funny

    Joke about sex? You got it...

    Q: You know what Bill Gates's wife discovered on their honeymoon?

    A: What Microsoft *really* means!

  10. Re:Microsoft are lying to us by kahei · · Score: 2, Funny

    No they don't. Maybe I do, but I'm a computer expert.

    My mom certainly has no clue that there even IS anything other than IE to use.


    You do understand that she can still choose? She may of course wish to inform herself about the options first. That's normal.


    I find Microsoft guility of contempt -- contempt of not upgrading their browser.


    This sweeping change to legal procedure must have passed me by :)

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  11. Re:Microsoft the underdog. by haystor · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yea, the "it's time to rest on our laurels" memo didn't really work out for Netscape.

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  12. one more thing to block by default... by Zone-MR · · Score: 3, Funny

    With popups gone, people will resort to javascript alert()s.

    "Do you want to download our new penis enlargment software?" (yes/no)

    *clicks no*

    "Are you sure you dont? It will make your penis 5 times longer straight away... and if you add it to startup, your penis will grow 5 inches on every reboot. Visit our homepage." (yes/no)

    *clicks no*

    "Ok, so may we interest you in some generic viagra instead?"

    ARGHHHH!

  13. What's that I hear? by Ex+Machina · · Score: 5, Funny

    The sound of the world's smallest violin.

    Awwww poor, MS!

  14. OT: GMAIL whoring by Froze · · Score: 2, Funny

    (Arrrggghhhhh! Selling my soul for a gmail invite!)

    OK, I lost my virginity on this one, I don't know how good the joke is but it definitaly works. Caution only point this joke at the right person.

    These three male ants and one female ant are trapped in a jar. The femal ant is desperately trying to find a way out and one of the male ants says to her,
    "I know how to get out of here and if you sleep with me tonight I will tell you how in the morning."
    So the female ant in desperation says ok, only to wake up the next morning and find that the male ant is gone. She starts crying and the second male ant comes over to offer comfort. Again she tells the male ant that she really needs to get out of this jar and the male ant responds,
    "I know how to get out of here and if you sleep with me tonight I will tell you how in the morning."
    Again she falls for the ploy and the next morning awakes only to find the male ant has left. Being tricked twice and still trapped, she begins to cry hopelessly and the last ant comes over to her to offer comfort.
    (PAUSE for effect)
    Do you want to hear the punchline?
    (Wait for positive response)
    "If you sleep with me tonight I will tell you in the morning."

    OK, OT and cheesy but hey it worked.

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  15. Other things to be concerned about by BELG · · Score: 4, Funny

    The day we don't get heated feedback I'll be concerned.

    Funnny, I thought having the Department Of Homeland Security recommending other browsers because of the abysmal security was plenty of reason for concern.

  16. Score -1, Redundant? by Dr.+q00p · · Score: 2, Funny

    Shouldn't it be "Score: 5, Redundant?"

    I thought that picking on M$ always gave you a good score. I am on slashdot, am I not?

  17. Oh heaven help us now by scrod · · Score: 4, Funny
    This will be particularly important to developers who use ActiveX controls, pop-up windows and file download counters in their websites..."

    What would we ever do without these wonderful features?
  18. Re:IE to block popups. by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 4, Funny

    Tell me how to get WinXP to install and run on a Pentium I - 166 MHz PC with 32 MB of RAM without spending any money and I'll go download a pirated copy right away...

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  19. AND THATS KARMA, BABY! by holy_smoke · · Score: 4, Funny

    aint life cool?

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  20. Re:Why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You're absolutely right. There shouldn't be any browser included with any OS. That way everyone would be forced to go on the internet and down... DOH!

  21. Re:Microsoft are lying to us by Monkelectric · · Score: 3, Funny
    Tell that to this guy:

    OnlineHost: Sheila41428 has entered the room.
    d00d903: hi there sheila! 17/m/tx wanna cyber?
    Sheila41428: sure
    d00d903: asl
    Sheila41428: 48/f/tx
    d00d903: the hell? mom?
    Sheila41428: OH JESUS FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!
    OnlineHost: Sheila41328 has left the room.

    Courtesy of bash.org (who won't post any of my quotes BTW!)

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  22. Re:Popups and Returning Null by multipartmixed · · Score: 5, Funny

    > FireFox 9.0 returns a null.

    9.0? What are you, from the 23rd century?

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  23. Re:It's still javascript. by Lochin+Rabbar · · Score: 3, Funny

    It didn't appear for me until I reloaded the page with javascript turned on.

  24. Re:Why not? by Thud457 · · Score: 4, Funny
    /. == Morlocks

    MSN == Eloi

    It's about time we face facts and start acting accordingly.

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  25. Re:Microsoft are lying to us by Condor7 · · Score: 5, Funny



    I'm not sure if this is a golf joke or a sex joke:

    Two business partners are playing golf. The two women playing in front of them are playing slowly and badly, and holding them up. One businessman says to his partner, "I'll go ask if we can play through." He starts walking toward them, but about halfway there, he turns around. When he gets back, his partner asks what happened.

    He replies, "I can't talk to those women, one of then is my wife, and the other is my mistress. Why don't you go talk to them?" The second man starts to walk over. He gets halfway there and turns around. When he gets back, his partner asks, "Now what happened?" To this he replies, "Small world, isn't it?"

  26. Re:Avoidance of the W3C standards question by julesh · · Score: 2, Funny

    Obviously if they were 100% compliant then web developers would stick to the standards

    If you think that, you need to get out and meet a few more professional web developers. If MSIE was 100% standards compliant, maybe 5% more of us would stick to the standards. Bringing the total to, roughly, 15%.

  27. Re:Microsoft the underdog. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2, Funny

    > They purposefully cultivate a siege mentality. That's why all MS employees have an us VS them
    > mentality. It's a common technique used by cults and in this case MS.

    Good thing nobody on the Linux side of the debate has that sort of mentality, eh?

    Chris Mattern

  28. My Great Hope by blunte · · Score: 2, Funny

    My great hope
    is that all the companies
    (and government agencies)
    who created IE-only sites
    SUFFER HORRIBLY
    when the world moves to SP2

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  29. Re:Moms and grandmas not always so dumb by bloggins02 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm sorry, what were you saying? My brain automatically stopped parsing after the phrase "peep this."

  30. Underdog! by sharkey · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can't you just see Ballmer up on stage in red PJs and a blue cape that's way too long?


    when Netscapes in this world appear
    and break the laws that they should fear
    and frighten all who see or hear
    the cry goes up both far and near
    for Underdog! Underdog! Underdog! Underdog!

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  31. Re:Why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Some of us still use ftp to download, you insensitive clod!

  32. Re:Microsoft the underdog. by Qrlx · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is it safe to assume that when you say "7 in the Supreme Court," that's because Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia are technically cyborgs?

  33. Re:What is .NET by Andy_R · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well, I tried taking all the marketing spin out of that definition to make some sense of it, but when I was finished there was noting left.

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  34. Re:Why not? by NaDrew · · Score: 2, Funny
    /. == Morlocks

    MSN == Eloi
    We're supposed to eat them?!
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