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Atomic Veterans Speak Out

GoneGaryT writes "Last night I stumbled across the site for Atomic Veterans, the guys in the forces who were present at the Pacific atmospheric nuclear tests and those who 'cleaned-up' Eniwetok 20 years later. There are scores of testimonies, many from men who have a range of cancers or who have since died from them. The absolute and callous disregard for their health and safety at the time is shocking; I suppose the same kind of thing happened to British, French, Russian and Chinese troops in similar circumstances. The Chernobyl pages discussed here a few months ago were eerie; this site is simply heartbreaking. On the one hand, I hate the idea of this site being Slashdotted, on the other hand, people, you've just got to read some of these testimonies. What happened back then is no joke and I'm not sure if we have half the fallout story even now. For the continental US, see this compilation."

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  1. Bow to your owner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    THE FOLLOWING ARTICLE, BY LEE CHENEY,
    APPEARED IN "BRITAIN & OVERSEAS",
    THE QUARTERLY JOURNAL
    OF THE ECONOMIC RESEARCH COUNCIL, LONDON,
    ON PAGE 19-21 OF THE SPRING 1999 ISSUE (VOL.29, NO.1):

    There is an old saying that "if people are told a lie often enough they will come to believe that lie to be true". The truth is, that it is an outright lie to tell people that banks do not print money when banks make loans. (Actually Hitler said this.-JB)

    Every even half educated person in economics and finance understands the accounting process of "loan created deposits" (bank printed money in the context of M1, M2, M3, C, L, etc.). Some people try to tell us that "the notion that banks create money by lending is a fallacy" (T.B. Haran, B&O p.24, Vol.21 No2, Summer 1991). But everybody who knows anything at all about bank accounting knows that banks do, in fact, print (create) money by making loans. Then, of course, there are those who play word games with us and try to tell us that banks do not print (create) money because what banks actually do is simply create "credit" (which is interest, debt, and tax slavery for everybody else, including the government). And there are those who try to tell us that "the debt/tax slavery scenario is an illusion"
    -- (T.B. Haran, B&O p. 20, Vol.21, No.3, Autumn 1991).

    Everybody who know anything about income and expenses knows that when a person (or business or government) has more interest, debt and taxes to pay than they have income to pay it with they are bankrupt. Bankrupt simply means "insolvent". "Insolvent" means to be so heavily burdened with interest, debt, and taxes that there is no hope of paying them, so you're "bankrupt". Well, here are some hard facts that even Mr. Haran can not deny or play word games with: THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS BANKRUPT (INSOLVENT). It is common knowledge in America that the American people must pay 47% of their income in taxes and, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, the American people must pay 81% of their income to pay debt.

    Now it doesn't take a genius to figure out that 47% + 81% = 128%. And that doesn't even consider the burden of paying interest on that debt. In simple language, it is humanly impossible for the American people to pay the interest, debt and tax burden levied on them by the American Federal Reserve debt/tax slavery money printing banks. This is the bottom line of the debt/tax slavery sceario that Mr. Haran says "is a fallacy". Internationally, the IMF/World Bank interest/debt/tax slavery money system has the whole world in the same interest/debt/tax slavery mess.

    Of course, Mr. Haran can propose his "bilateral money theory" from now until doomsday and no doubt there will be those gullible enough to support him and believe him but before people get sucked in too far, they should at least consider that p.3 of "Modern Money Mechanics", published by the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, says, "the actualy process of money creation takes place in the banks". And if that doesn't convince Mr. Haran and his gullible followers that our interest/debt/tax slavery nightmare is a bank caused problem at least consider the statement in "Government Debt and Credit Creation", Research Report No.9, published by the Economic Research Council, December 1981 which says, "the commercial banking net contributions to M1 is called 'creation of credit...'"

    It is pathetic that people actually believe that banks do not print money when banks make loans and that the debt/tax slavery scenario is an illusion. But it is even more pathetic that The New World Order is ready to trigger WWIII in order to expand this evil IMF/World Bank interest/debt/tax slavery money system into Eastern Europe.

  2. You think that's something? by AltGrendel · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    You should hear what goes on in Area 51!!!

    --
    The simple truth is that interstellar distances will not fit into the human imagination

    - Douglas Adams

  3. Re:Radio Bikini by new+account+for+mod · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    [witty anti-microsoft tidbit]

    And I reply:
    [incisive open-source wordcraft]

  4. I just downloaded some DDR compos by BlackTriangle · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    God DAMN is Korean ever annoying. And the chicks aren't even hot. And when the game ends, one chick has 50 million pits and the other has like 16 thousand. And why the fuck are the lyrics in English? What the fuck kind of fucked up game ends up with that kind of point difference? A crap one, an unbalanced one, that's what. Why do people play this shit?

  5. Entire healthcare system is a criminal travesty! by cryophan · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    In ANY OTHER industrialized western democracy, EVERY citizen of that country has his/her medical needs taken care of for either a FRACTION of what we charge here, or for free. THat is because their healthcare systems are funded by taxes, and mainly by income taxes on wealthy investors, upper income earners (doctors, etc), and corporations.

    If any of these vets were to live in Canada legally, all they have to do is walk into any hospital, and they would be taken care of.

    But the USA has a healthcare system rigged to hold the American citizen hostage to investor interests. It is rigged to make the average American citizen hostage to employment. It is rigged to increase desperation in the workers. It is rigged to increase dependence of the employee to the employer. It is rigged to make people afraid to lose their job, and therefore more malleable and more productive. It is rigged to make Americans scramble and hustle so they and their kids will not die due to lack of healthcare.

    Our healthcare system is a CRIME and our top politicians, past and present, should be indicted, tried, convicted, and severely punished by rule of law for their criminal malfeasance in this travesty that is American healthcare.

  6. Re:A map without a key... by Raspberry · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    you have so much contact with the defence [sic] industry that you can't even spell defense correctly.

    YEAH RIGHT.

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    Ray Raspberry
    raspberry@b3l33t.org
  7. Re:A map without a key... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    yes, just like reclaiming a building from squatters is 'pushing out the residents.' Palestine does not exist, legally. There is no 'palestenian territory' because there's no palestine. fuck all you Jew-haters and oppressors. palestinians had three count 'em three chances to get a country of their own, all nice and legal-like, but they don't want 'a country of their own.' They want to exterminate every single Jew in Israel, take over Israel, and then proceed to exterminate any Jew in the rest of the world that they missed. fuck anyone who sides with those genocidal assholes. no matter how you spell it, there's neither defence nor defense for the genocidal actions of the palestinians.