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Alan Kay Decries the State of Computing

gnaremooz writes "Computer pioneer Alan Kay (DARPA in the '60s, PARC in the '70s, now HP Labs) declares 'The sad truth is that 20 years or so of commercialization have almost completely missed the point of what personal computing is about.' He believes that PCs should be tools for creativity and learning, and they are falling short."

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  1. Arrgh.. by Defiler · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Another computer visionary with vague promises and criticisms.
    Instead of doing [insert clearly-defined practical thing here], you should be doing [insert vague semi-buzzword here, like "education", or "object"] and you should be using [insert visionary's product here] to do it.

    1. Re:Arrgh.. by hcdejong · · Score: 5, Interesting

      But he does have a point. Most of the effort that's gone into hardware and software development, has been aimed at doing the same things faster. Real innovation is very rare. Our desktops still are essentially the same as the 1984 Macintosh. PDAs still haven't caught up with the Newton. Computers are still dumb.

    2. Re:Arrgh.. by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 5, Interesting
      His example: A software package that just looks like the modern equivalent of LOGO. Interesting, sure. Probably lots of fun to play with as a child. More compelling that e-mail or Wikipedia? Please.

      Don't belittle Smallalk . It ain't. Case in point: some years ago, a friend of mine had the misfortune of having sold beaucoup computers and servers to an ailing airline, which was pretty much behind in it's payments.

      One day, I get an enthusiastic phone call from him: Can you go to the airport and go to $AIRLINE offices to fix their macintosh??? (I was the outside mac expert). When I got there, the V.P. of finance was at the reception waiting for me and handed me a five-figure cheque for the outstanding invoiced...

      Turns out that this single computer had an AI application written in Smalltalk that handled all the logistics and scheduling of their aircraft fleet; their whole operations depended on this one computer.

      I was not able to fix the mac: it's motherboard was shot.

      A week later, they filed for bankrupcy but at least, the cheque cleared.
  2. Re:Not-So-Sad Truth by Scarblac · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They're the most unique and versatile tool ever invented by man, their purpose is whatever we choose it to be at the moment.

    I think that's his point - they're the most unique and versatile tool ever invented, we could do anything, but what we use it for is 99% things we basically had before - business documents and simple calculations, games, video and audio replay/recording.

    They could be so much more.

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  3. Re:Cue the Apple zealots ... by mccalli · · Score: 5, Interesting
    "I've no idea what this Kay dude is talking about, I just finished reading this very interesting article on Australian dingos in my World Book. Now excuse me while I have to finish my latest iCompositions in my iGarageband, and organise my iPhotoalbums, all while wirelessly browsing the iWeb sitting in my iGarden."

    Ok - I'll bite. And I'll bite for personal computing at large, rather than just as an Apple user (which I happen to be, but the below could be achieved on any platform).

    The very interesting articles I've digging out recently are on how to play the clarinet. I do use my machines to write music. I quite definitely have my photo albums on the the machine. I'll add video to your list too, and DVD authoring. I'll add web authoring. I'll add accounts - not exciting, but definitely simulating ideas. I'll add communciation - email and video conferencing with friends who are at least hundred of miles away, in some cases on a different continent. In my case, I'll add development and web authoring. And yes, when circumstances allow I sit in my garden and use the 802.11g connection.

    I honestly, truly, have no idea what Alan Kay is on about. Generalising the whole of computing on a business knocking out office documents is a bit poor. Then again, the article didn't have much in the way of direct quotes from Mr. Kay - perhaps his main thrust has been misunderstood?

    Cheers,
    Ian

  4. Re:I'd disagree somewhat... by YouHaveSnail · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You can't teach anyone to be creative.

    I don't know if that's true or not, but you can definitely teach people not to be creative. And that's just exactly what we're doing when we don't give our kids enough art, music, math, and language education.

    You either are, or are not.

    Maybe, but I tend to think that mostly everyone is born with a creative brain. Some kids grow up learning that it's okay and fun and good to think outside the box and are encouraged to solve their own problems in their own ways. Others grow up getting smacked for coloring outside the lines and are told not to think for themselves.

    That said, I think there are a few useful tools to aid the creative process, writing, drawing, music, etc., but I don't believe there are many, if any, tools to enhance the creative process. Maybe computers can't do that.

    I'm not sure what the differences is between "aid" and "enhance" above, but one way that computers can aid/enhance the creative process is to stop impeding it. There's probably a whole book to be written on this topic (and Kay might be the guy to do it), but in short I think that software often tends to get in the way more than it helps.

    In the beginning, there were assorted ridiculous input systems such as punch cards, paper tapes, and (ha!) rows of switches. Computers weren't much fun to use, and way too expensive for most creative endeavors. (That's not to say that the pioneers of our industry weren't creative.) And then came terminals and command lines, and life was good! Much better than before, but still so expensive that you had to be a really smart and already creative college kid just to get to use one for a bit. (Read Steven Levy's "Hackers" for more on this.) Then came personal computers, which were relatively affordable and inspired all sorts of creativity.

    But still, we were stuck with the command line, and you pretty much needed to learn all about "right" and "wrong" ways to do things, and if you did something "wrong" the computer normally did something unfriendly. (Note that text adventure games were wildly popular during this time, possibly because they encouraged one to explore a new world, and aside from maybe getting temporarily killed there wasn't much that you could do that was "wrong.") When GUI's first came into public consciousness with the Apple Lisa (there were others, but a normal person might actually have a shot at touching a Lisa), there was a lot of interest because with this strange new computing paradigm, you could tell the computer to do whatever you wanted, whenever you wanted, and there was little that you could do that was "wrong." At $10,000, though, Lisa's were too expensive for most folk. Then the Mac came along and people loved it. It was relatively affordable, and easy to use, and people (Microsoft included) did all sorts of interesting things with it. Even with just two apps, MacWrite and MacPaint, people were transfixed for hours just playing and creating and exploring. About the worst thing you could do resulted in having to swap the floppy disk five or ten times.

    These days, computers are a lot more difficult and scary to use. No, don't open that attachment! You never know, it might contain a virus. Don't plug you computer into the network if you don't know the "right" way to do it, because hackers might take over your computer. Why did you set up your document like that? You've got it all wrong. Which of these 300 different commands that do a very specific thing do you want, and in what order?

    Tools which inspire creativity are simple ones which don't have a "right" and "wrong" way to use them. Tools like Logo and MacPaint and paintbrushes and drums. You get that sort of (software) tool most often in the early and middle phases of a products life, when a product is implemented enough to be useful, but before the manufacturer needs to justify the next seven updates and throws in all manner of kitchen sink features.

    Friends, it's time to demand simpl

  5. Re:Please hush up by mabinogi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    you missed his point entirely.

    He _knows_ it's a browser, his assertion is that HTTP should have been like WebDAV from the beginning, and that instead of writing a browser, they should have written a browser with authoring capabilities.

    The trouble is, that you're looking at the world as it is now, and saying "it's obvious, this is how things should be", instead of looking back and asking yourself how things could be different....

    Sure, he's not going to change anything by saying what he's saying, but that doesn't mean it's not worth saying.

    Personally I pretty much agree with the overall sentiment - When I was a kid my first computer experiences were with the 8 bit home PCs of the 80s - the ZX81, ZX Spectrum, Commodore (16/+4 and 64) and Amstrad CPC - and every single one of those did far more for me in terms of encouraging my creativity than a modern PC does. Simply because they came with BASIC built in. Programming was what you _did_ and it was so easy to get started. These days the barrier to entry is much higher, and if you look at Windows, it doesn't even come with a programming language any more. At least DOS had QBasic - In fact, Dos with QBasic was almost as good as the 8bit machines...

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