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Novell as Open Source Hero?

ccnull writes "Who's the #2 Linux vendor in the world? Would you believe Novell? Infoworld takes a look at this long-struggling giant and how it has (and hasn't) reinvented itself as an open source company in the face of utterly losing the LAN market to Microsoft." The piece argues: "But even though it seems to be holding all the right cards, Novell faces tough odds. In recent years, tough competition from Microsoft and dwindling support from third-party developers have caused Novell's once-loyal base to look elsewhere for infrastructure needs. Unless it can win back the loyalty of the industry, Novell's new, Linux-centric message could fall on deaf ears."

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  1. Mono by Burb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's an interesting point of view expressed in the article. But although it mentions Miguel de Icaza, there's no mention of Mono. Not that there necessarily has to be a mention of Mono, of course, but it struck me as a strange omission. I'm very interested in the mono project and I got the impression that it was regarded as quite significant to Novell alongside the other Linux-type offerings.

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  2. Novell will do alright in the Linux market by eadz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They have something RedHat don't, sales offices world wide. They are really pushing the linux message, and are more free software (in beer and freedom) than the pre-Novell SuSE was : open source yast, free downloads for SuSE 9.1. Also they are porting most of their applications to run on linux.

  3. Novell has a good name with their customers. by ron_ivi · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The company I'm at now is mostly a .NET shop, but with a handful of skunkworks linux/mono projects going on, either as prototypes or proofs-of-concept.


    One if these was discussed with a rather large customer (government) who was surprised and very favoribly impressed to hear that the product was based on "Novell's Linux, and Novell's implementation of .NET".


    Their core infrastructure - many dozens of offices across the state - is all based on Novell, who they have a lot of confidence in. I think there's a good chance they'll be wanting the "Novell .NET" solution when we ship the final product.

  4. Re:Effective? by ron_ivi · · Score: 5, Interesting
    When I say "Red Hat" what do you think of first?
    When I say "Novell" what do you think of first?

    But which company is worth more?

    Surprisingly, they're both about exactly the same. 2.71Billion for Novell and 2.76 Billion for Red Hat according to Yahoo Finance today.

    Not that market-cap means a lot, but it was surprising to me. I suspect it surprises both groups - open source fans will be surprised to see the "failed network company" be worth so much - especially considering Red Hat was once worth 10X as much. And I suspect old-school-corporate types would be surprized to see a bunch of Linux hippies being worth as much as a giant like Novell.

  5. Re:Effective? by stripyd · · Score: 5, Interesting
    When I say "Novell" what do you think of first?

    that "failed network company" who still pulled in over a billion dollars in revenue last year, and whose massive deployments now look like having an upgrade path to GNU/Linux? :-)

    What do we think of when we say "SuSE"?

    I'm sure there's many people who are happy they haven't started branding "Novell Enterprise Linux". "Entwicklung" is such a great word...

  6. Re:Effective? by AVee · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Evidence? When I say "Red Hat" what do you think of first?

    Linux company, one in a dozen, happens to be the biggest.

    When I say "Novell" what do you think of first?

    Technically superior, way underappreciated.

    At least, thats what I think.
    I feel Novell is technically better than RedHat. The application support and the customers just aren't there. Anyone who has used Novell seriously will agree that there is no equivalent to GroupWise, ZENWorks or eDirectory on the Linux platform and there are only lower quality alternatives for the windows platform. Bringing this to Linux could make Linux it a serious option for larger companies...

  7. Re:Effective? by Albanach · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Evidence? When I say "Red Hat" what do you think of first? When I say "Novell" what do you think of first?

    Eh? what does this have to do with the price of cheese? Novell Inc has been around since 1979 - Linus was still running around in shorts then.

    Most folk probably think of Novell as a rather large company specialising in networking software - that's exactly what they are. They like linux because it's an alternative to Microsoft, and over in the Microsoft world there's a bigger company trying to sell copycat versions of many of Novell's programs. In the linux world there's a lot of demand for enterprise grade networking and groupware software.

    When you think of IBM, does Jo Bloggs think of a Linux company? I wouldn't expect so - they too like linux because it fits in with their core products and strategies.

    Novell are a major Linux company now because they own SuSE and Ximian. Now they are Linux companies, they just happen to be subsidiaries of Novell Inc.

  8. Still a lot of restructuring ahead by Twid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As an ex-Novell employee (pre-SuSE acquisition), I think Novell still has a lot of restructuring to do.

    Before the SuSE and Ximian acquisition, Novell was going to focus on "web services" and spent a lot of money on a merger with Cambridge Technology Partners and an acquisition of Silverstream. Now, with Ximian they get Mono as well, but I don't really see a coherent revenue stream strategy coming out of Mono/Silverstream/SuSE (yet). Novell has a staggering product list right now.

    There are:
    - All of the old pre-Linux products like NetWare, from when Novell's strategy was network operating systems
    - All of the identity products like eDirectory from when Novell's strategy was identity management
    - The ZENworks product line for desktop and server management
    - Four, count 'em, four different collaboration products, all from different sources (GroupWise, NetMail, Evolution, OpenExchange)
    - The KDE-based SuSE Linux and the Gnome-based Ximian Desktop
    - The rebranded Silverstream app server along with Mono

    It's really quite a mess, and I haven't yet seen any strategy to clean it up. Novell's company page still pitches the "One Net" vision, which is a holdover from the Eric Schmidt-as-CEO days. I'd like to see a strategy for how Novell is going to bring all this together.

    I'm still a Novell stockholder and I wish Novell the best of luck, I'd just like a little more clarity about how this is all going to come together.

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  9. Re:Effective? by Errtu76 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually, when i think about Novell, i think about Ximian (and especially Evolution) and how that piece of software can become much better/bigger/worth more. I'm looking forward to the 2.0 release, which features (from the site):

    * integrated connectivity to Novell GroupWise
    * integrated connectivity to Microsoft Exchange
    * improved offline support for IMAP accounts
    * numerous calendar improvements,
    * support for S/MIME, enhanced contact management
    * Gaim instant messaging integration
    * Improved desktop integration

    Especially the integration with MS Exchange is somewhat unique for a linux application. If Novell can provide a linux-based desktop that integrates perfectly with a MS Windows environment, then they are a step ahead of RH&Co and are close to becoming (at least my) Open Source Hero.

  10. Novell Visited Our LUG by terrencefw · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Novell (specifically Mark McManus and Simon Lidgett) came this week and outlined their Linux strategy in a talk to our LUG, WYLUG.

    They seem to be pretty fired up about stuff. Their next generation product will be "Open Enterprise Server", which can run either on Netware or Linux as a base OS.

    They seem very into cross-platform and compatibility, in particular with respect to authentication, single sign-on and all that.

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  11. The problem of Novell is ... by Akimotos · · Score: 5, Interesting

    their loyalty. Let me explain. Back in the '90s I ran a salesdepartment of a big IT shop with big customers. All my salesguys worked on a basic pay, with a great bonus. Then came the millennium saga ....
    They all got training .. you can upgrade this application with this update and that application with that upgrade. All my guys made the quotation on their customers: what are they running now and how am I going to make the most money out of their upgrade.
    More than one of those guys earned a second home just by upgrading its customers to Windows. Why Windows? Because Microsoft forced customers into buying whole new license packs, with new software. Even customers running older versions of Windows. It were the days that we simply couldn't find enough people to install and implement upgrades. Microsoft couldn't even ship CD's, licenses and boxes fast enough. In the end we did complete conversions from blanc CD's and provided the customer with its formal material later. And crew was even worse: we sent whole groups of 'people_handy_with_computers' off to South Africa where we bought MCSE documents, just to be able to put them on jobs in Europe...
    Oh, and Novell? They simply produced upgrades, even for aging versions of their OS, like 3.12 and such. Each upgrade was about $200 (or something) with which you could make your server OS millennium proof. 3.x went to 3.2 and 4.x went to 4.2. And that was it... my Novell guys just sold a handful of CD's, didn't earn a second home on bonusses, but scored a ten on customer satifaction. And the problem was that Novell informed all customers about the possibility. My guys simply didn't have the opportunity to scale 'm up from 3.x to 4.2 or even version 5.... every customer was already informed about the $200 update kit for the 3 and 4 series.
    Since most salesguys don't have a heart or basically don't care about quality (it's just about the bonus), they simply advised customers to ignore the opdate: it's better switching to Windows... you see, I have a second mortgage to pay ...
    It was terrible to see such a nice product becoming a victim of its customer loyalty, especially since the Windows customers simply didn't (and still don't) see that they are being toyed with.
    And I? I left the circus in September 1999 on 'matters of principle' ....

  12. What would make them a FOSS hero? by darnok · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Release OpenExchange as open source.

    In many sites, Exchange is the one MS product that is irreplaceable infrastructure. I know, alternatives exist, but plugging together 12 different pieces of FOSS with differing licences isn't something that a lot of IT departments are comfortable with. They'd rather live with their regularly unscheduled Exchange outages, thanks very much!

    If OpenExchange was free, it would go close to being a drop-in replacement for MS Exchange. With a company the size of Novell behind it, it would be a much easier sell to those companies than plugging together a bunch of FOSS server products, most with no big vendor behind them.

    Novell would get a *lot* of mind-share in these organizations, as they'd be the enablers for getting MS out of their core infrastructure once and for all. I'd bet they could leverage this mindshare when it came time to upgrade those desktops as well.

    Well, Novell, what are you waiting for?

  13. Small and Medium Business by managementboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I believe Novell has a good standing to start to win back small and medium business, as long as they can show how these porblems get resolved through their offerings:

    * Licencing cost are low(er) compared with rivals
    * Costs due to Viri don't exist in Novell's SuSE offerings (business men know this problem first hand)
    * Costs due to Spam get significantly reduced due to Novells SuSE offerings (business men know this problem)
    * Security is inherently high (business men know this problem)
    * Single signon and other Directory services are good for business (business men know this problem)
    * OpenOffice is free and compatible (free is allways good, as long as you get support... Novell enters the stage)
    * Novell removes the nerdy part of Linux and makes it business man friendly

    These are not technical arguments. They would be the ones I would use to convice any owner of a small or medium business to use Novell's products in an upgrade cycle (from win95, from Oracle 8, from IE5 etc.).