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X43-A on to Mach 10

Cat_Byte writes "On March 28 we read about the X43-A hitting Mach 7 with a successful scramjet test. Prior to that on June 2, 2001 the craft tore itself to pieces during a trial run. Well now they are preparing to hit Mach 10. The upcoming Mach 10 run of the X-43A appears to mark an end of the program. The seven-year, approximately $250 million Hyper-X program was created to provide unique "first time" data on hypersonic air-breathing engine technologies. "At Mach 7, the front leading edge of the vehicle would see about 2,400 degrees Fahrenheit. At Mach 10, its probably twice that -- twice the heat load essentially," Sitz explained FYI, Mach 10 is about 2 miles per second."

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  1. Re:Mach 10? by radixvir · · Score: 5, Informative

    FYI, he was referring to the episode of Star Trek Voyager, where they test out the new engine technology on the shuttle. It goes Warp 10 which apparently causes 2 of the characters to "evolve" into gecko-like creatures. another completely ridiculous plot that took place around the time of the episode where they found Amelia Earhart

  2. Previous test aborted... by bchernicoff · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...the craft tore itself to pieces during a trial run.

    I was under the impression that the Pegasus boost missle went out of control so they self-destructed it...not that there was a problem with the X-43.

  3. Re:Front leading edge.... by Xentax · · Score: 4, Informative

    On a serious note, there are at least technically multiple leading edges on most craft (including this one).

    There's the leading edge of the wings, the horizontal stabilizers, the vertical stabilizer, etc. A combat aicraft might have more leading edges for external hardpoints - really, the front-facing part of any protrusion from the fuselage. Whether the nose/front of the fuselage itself is 'technically' a leading edge or not.

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  4. eeerh... i hate to say this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    but Mach 10 won't be 2 miles per second because they are not flying at sea level.

    Mach number is the square root of the product of gamma, R, and T. Being:

    gamma a propertie of the gas (1.33~1.44 aprox for air),

    R the constant of the gas (universal R over Molecular Mass for every kilo ... )..... (sorry, i know it's bad expressed) being about 287.15 for air

    And T is the absolute temperature of the gas;
    According to the International Atmosphere model, the temperature of air drops 6.5K every kilometer until you reach 11Km, beyond it remains constant until 22km, where it again rises.

    So, if depending of the height (and particular condition of the day and the state of atmosphere) the Mach speed varies

    As i haven't seen at what height they are flying, you can calculate yourself the Mach speed if you find the numbers.

    So is very probable that they are flying at really great heights where the mach value greatly differs from sea level Mach, what is taught to children, as other poster suggested

    Values of temperature of atmosphere can be found looking for ISA model (International Standard Atmosphere)

    By the way, i am using SI; so, if you find a table with Farenhait (or whatever it is spelled) you can convert a farenheit degree to kelvin via:

    (TF-32)/1.8+273 = kelvin

    PD: Sorry for my bad english

    1. Re:eeerh... i hate to say this by gerardrj · · Score: 4, Informative

      I went and did some research to post the actual ground speed in miles per hour of the ship traveling at mach 10 at 95,000 feet and I learned an interesting thing which astonished me.

      Actually, until you get very high in the atmosphere the speed of sound stays relatively constant compared to the speed of sound at sea level. Pressure and density decrease, but so does temperature.

      You can plug in some number in a calculator at
      http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/soun d.ht ml

      The actual ground speed number (assuming no head/tail wind) of travelling at mach 10 at 95,000 feet is 6,777MPH or 1.887 miles per second.

      Up until now I, perhaps like most, though that since pressure decreases exponentially with altitude, that the speed of sound must also decrease at some constant, or at least predictable, rate with altitude. This was a real eye opener for me.

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  5. Re:4,800 degrees farenheit.. by sixteenraisins · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's incorrect to use temperature to describe something as "twice as hot," since temperature is an intrinsic value - not a "quantity" to be counted like length, mass, etc, but rather a relative scale, defined by the Zeroth law of Thermodynamics to describe the direction of heat transfer.

    It would be somewhat more correct to possibly describe something as having twice as much internal energy (heat), because units of heat (joules or BTU's) are quantifiable units. Keep in mind that this still wouldn't lead to twice the temperature on an absolute scale, since the specific heat of virtually anything is variable with temperature - hence, you can't correctly surmise that just because there's twice as much heat then there must be twice as much temperature.

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  6. Re:Anyone... by larkost · · Score: 4, Informative

    At that speed a brick is a "lifting body". Reminds me of the F-15 a.k.a. the "Aluminum Lawn Dart" (or world's most expensive lawn dart) because if you turn off the engine thats what your flight path looks like.

  7. Re:Big deal... by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 3, Informative
    Your point is correct.

    So is mine:
    "One of the joint transformational technology initiatives is the National Aerospace Initiative (NAI), which consists of research and development in hypersonic flight technology, affordable and responsive space launch, and enhanced on-orbit space technologies. In the FY04 budget request, the Department focused the increased investment into hypersonic technology, investing over $150M additional funds in hypersonics. We seek Congressional support for the FY04 budget request for the increased hypersonic technology work and the integrated technologies of NAI. Hypersonic technology could be truly transformative as it could provide increased capability through speed in several mission areas. For example, hypersonics could provide the opportunity to conduct tactical strikes from strategic distance in a short amount of time. Technology has progressed to the point where we believe that demonstrations of a Mach number per year, reaching Mach 12 by 2012, are within reach. The development of hypersonic technology could reduce vulnerability of future systems, while potentially providing a flexible capability to strike quickly and effectively deny enemy sanctuary anywhere in the world. Additionally, a hypersonic roadmap, developed cooperatively by DoD and NASA provides long term potential for affordable access to space. In short, the National Aerospace Initiative is one of those technology opportunities that has the potential to capture American interest in technology, much like the race to the moon in the 1960's, while providing needed technical capability for the warfighter. The National Aerospace Initiative is the right initiative for America as we celebrate the first century of manned flight."
    There are not supporting facts in the Wired blurb because it's public record. The thing in Wired is a little easier to read.
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  8. Correction by MouseR · · Score: 3, Informative

    Prior to that on June 2, 2001 the craft tore itself to pieces during a trial run

    Actually, it's the rocket launcher that veered out of control.

    A plane takes the rocket+X43 into a given altitude, the rocket launches bringing itself and the X43 to about Mach 3 and then the scram jet can take action, bringing the X43 up to Mach 7 after separation from the rocket.

    It's the rocket that failed on the first attempt. Not the X43-A.

  9. Re:But can it do... by krlynch · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is a true statement that a Parsec is a measure of distance. But that doesn't rule it out as a unit of time. Special Relativity tells us that time and distance units are interchangeable, because the speed of light is a constant value in all reference frames.

    So, while I'm sure the original Star Wars quote wasn't meant to delve into the intricacies of modern physics, it certainly isn't technically wrong. Of course, since a Parsec is about 39 years, I certainly wouldn't want to be piloting for that amount of time...

  10. Re:But can it do... by krlynch · · Score: 3, Informative

    Oops ... that should have read "... since 12 Parsecs is about 39 years..." You must actually READ your post when you preview it :-)

  11. Re:But can it do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    The whole big deal with the parsec thing is that Han essentially skimmed the event horizons of black holes to get to kessel faster, shaving off time, but in the end, it actually shaved off distance due to spatial anomolies. (sp.)

    Read the Han Solo star wars books for it to make sense.

  12. Re:Not for commercial flight by dierdorf · · Score: 3, Informative

    What I find interesting is that the leading edge heating only doubles between mach 7 and mach 10. For macroscopic objects, drag is proportional to v^2, so the drag coefficient must decrease a lot faster than I thought.... I should modify my rocket simulator. :) Unless, of course, they're travelling at a different altitude (?).

    Uhh... 7 squared is 49 and 10 squared is 100. What's your problem?

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