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TMBG on DRM

scootr1 writes "John and John from They Might Be Giants speak to Newsweek about, amongst other things, digital rights management. My favorite exchange? 'How would you eat, then?' 'That's my problem.' When are record companies going to realize that DRM isn't going to help them sell more of the bad music that dominates the airwaves?"

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  1. They ARE Giants. by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Insightful
    TMBG are great. They're a couple of geeks who have managed to 'make it' doing something they love. They're nice, they're humble, they're good people, and they don't try to fuck people out of their money.

    America needs more TMBGs. I'm sickened by the greedy, self-important jackholedness that passes as 'American' these days. We used to be people who cared about each other; we used to ask what we could do for our country. Now, we're a bunch of jugular-sucking opportunists who take pride in bending the rules, running through loopholes, and shouting louder than the other guy.

    Bring back humility, honesty and generosity! Those are real values! Carry that torch, TMBG!

    --

    Obliteracy: Words with explosions

    1. Re:They ARE Giants. by dclydew · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There was found an esoteric text which held within it great esoteric eristic secrets, disguised as a popular song by the great Discordian Esoterics "They Might Be Giants".


      I'm going down to Cowtown
      The cow's a friend to me
      Lives beneath the ocean and that's where I will be
      Beneath the waves, the waves
      And that's where I will be
      I'm gonna see the cow beneath the sea


      Here in the first verse, we are told that we are entering the realm of Eris herself, The Void, or 'Chao'Town, based on the eternal symbol of Eris, The Sacred Chao. Obviously, the writer feels kinship with her sacred symbol, since "The 'Chao's a friend to me."

      Now what of the next lines? If you examine the cover of the Holey Principia Discordia, you will find that the Sacred Chao is centered beneath the title, placing the "Chao" beneath the 'c'.


      The yellow Roosevelt Avenue leaf overturned
      The ardor of arboreality is an adventure we have spurned, we've spurned
      A new leaf overturned
      It's a new leaf overturned


      First, we have a fantastic example a Discordian statement. Words hidden within words, "The Yellow Rose" "Roosevelt Avenue" and "A new leaf overturned" are mashed into a single sentence, hidden between the actual words written. A wise reminder to never believe what we read (In this case what we hear and what we read are different).

      The Ardor of Arboreality, of course refers to the "Love of A bor(ing) reality" something which is spurned by the Discordian, who prefers overturning new leaves and exploring different realities.

      We yearn to swim for home, but our only home is bone
      How sleepless is the egg knowing that which throws the stone
      Foresees the bone, the bone
      Our only home is bone
      Our only home is bone

      This verse contains two seperate esoteric messages:

      First, we see that the writer sees his life as "egg" to "bone" or birth to death. There is no escaping this, for our only home (our final home) is 'bone' or death.

      Of course, there is also the idea of creation, for bone can refer to the bone of Osris. Osris, of course was killed and reborn, killed and reborn again (though this time without his bone, which probably meant he had to get a strap-on for Isis). The egg would obviously refer to the Great Mother Isis. Thus we have the story of constant rebirth and life, couched in words that speak of the unavvoidable end of our lives.

      The stone, may be a reference to the stone which was rolled away from the tomb of Jesus (another "Dying God" like Osirus).

      Ratatosk, Squirrel of Discord
      &
      Sjaantze, Harbringer of Distraction

      --
      Get a life, not a lifestyle. - Hikem Bey
  2. Re:Bad music? by AllUsernamesAreGone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Economics. They don't believe that the quality of the music justifies the price the labels demand for it so they use a supply mechanism that provides the music at the price they believe the music deserves.

    How many times have you or your friends waited for an averageish game to drop to bargain bin prices and then bought it because you didn't want to pay the initial retail price? Same idea.

    If the music lables produced things people really, really wanted and they have high enough perceived value to justify the price then they would sell more, but in the absence of this and in the presence of cheaper supply mechanisms they aren't going to get anywhere.

  3. Re:Thanks TMBG! by DarkSarin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The RIAA, unfortunately, doesn't care about individual bands. It only cares about the recording studios. Why? Because is was formed by, and is controlled by, the studios. From their perspective it makes sense to push DRM and the latest craze (a la Brittney Spears), because this is what makes them the most money.

    They are not, like some have supposed, in it for the long haul as far as any one band is concerned. Older bands do not make as much money off albums as do newer bands (generally speaking), because they can't tap into the market that spends the most--teenage kids.

    The teenage kids buy more cds, go to more concerts, and purchase more paraphenalia than other demographics. This is because they aren't generally paying any bills, and are rarely saving money (if they even have a job--many recieve an "allowance", which just makes folks lazy).

    Thus, from the marketeers perspective, it makes sense to engender one craze after another, because these are what make money. Granted, they will squeeze every penny they can from every artist they can, but the big money isn't there for bands like TMBG.

    That said, I do agree that in the long run, bands that care about their fans, and that care about making music, are the ones that I generally enjoy listening to more.

    Think about the difference in attitude illustrated by, "I want to be a rock star", compared to, "I want to play music". The one is focused on being rich, famous, and having lots of neat toys. The other focuses on playing great music, and if the other (money, fame, etc) comes to them, great.

    Brittney Spears is not around for the long haul because she doesn't care about the music the same way that TMBG.

    FWIW, I love their music, but am far from up to date on their latest stuff.

    --
    "We don't know what we are doing, but we are doing it very carefully,..." Wherry, R.J. Personnel Psychology (1995)
  4. Great to see Realistic Musicians ... by killdashnine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm glad that TMBG is realistic about the future of digital media. My money is on the future where musicans realize that their bread and butter lies in making life performances and distributing merchandise like t-shirts, posters, etc.

    The record industry, specifically the RIAA, are holding onto an anachronism ... they don't create the music, they help to distribute it. Unfortunately what they don't understand (and some artists do) is that free distribution gives people the chance to get into an artist's music. And when an enthusiast is serious, they'll pay for the quality that comes from having a clean and attractively packaged CD.

    Good job, TMBG! Now the rest of musicians need to fire their record labels ...

  5. DRM is a slap on the wrist by MacBoy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    DRM's only accomplishment is to make the record companies treat honest consumers (the people who have actually paid for the stuff) like criminals.

    If I pay to download a track, or pop my new CD into my CD-ROM, it comes complete with DRM. I can't play it on my other PC. Forget about playing it on my Mac at all. Can I transfer it to my NetMD portable? Good luck! No, I can only play it on my stupid computer on my crappy speakers. Not on my portable, not on my stereo. However if I just don't bother to pay for it, and download the track/album in mp3 format from any number of questionable sources, I can play it on whatever device I want. In other words, if I pay for it, the Label treats me like a criminal and restricts my ability to use what I paid for. Steal it, and I can do what I want.

  6. Re:Bad music? by Smidge204 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Speaking for myself: It's not crap just because I hate it. I hate it because it's crap. Slight difference.

    It's crap because it's all the same. Unless you have heard the song before, or are a fan of the artist, it is virtually impossible to tell who the artist IS. Truly distinctive sounds are few and far between, and original sounds are rarer still. All the music industry seems to be concerned with today is manufacturing an image so they can sell shoes and soft drinks, not promoting creative music.

    The end result is that on all but the rare occasion, what gets palyed on the radio is trite.
    =Smidge=

  7. Re:Bad music? by angrist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not so much about making people WANT to pay... it's about people not feeling like they just took it in the ass after buying a new disc.

    Say you buy a new CD for $15, because of a song or two you heard on the radio. But when you sit down and listen to the whole album, the rest of it is total crap. Then you might (justifiably) feel ripped off.

    On the other hand, say you throw down the same $15 for a different CD. When you listen to the whole album you discover that the entire disc is amazing. You would most likely feel that the $15 was well worth the price.

    The problem is that many times current CD offerings leave the buying unsatisfied at the purchase price. After repeated purchases leave the same unsatisfaction, the consumer is more likely to just say "screw paying for this crap, i'll just download it and see if i like it."

    -- disclaimer: I don't want to hear "you should listen to the whole disc before buying it" because thats rather inconvienient, time consuming, etc etc. --