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NASA Prize Program Releases Workshop Report

colonist writes "NASA's prize competitions program, Centennial Challenges, held its first workshop June 15-16, 2004 to brainstorm ideas, define rules and set prize amounts. The post-workshop report (PDF) is available. New ideas for challenges should be sent to <ccideas@hq.nasa.gov>. The Centennial Challenges program is supported by the X Prize Foundation, the Aldridge Commission and some members of Congress, but not all."

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  1. Nasa is taking this seriously by The0retical · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am very happy to see that NASA is taking the next generation of spacecraft very seriously. It is rather sad that it took two accidents to see that they really did need a new space craft.

    Hopefully it will get into space sooner and revive public interest in the space program though, since the private sector is very influential in pushing technology forward.

    1. Re:Nasa is taking this seriously by StarWynd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is rather sad that it took two accidents to see that they really did need a new space craft.

      It didn't take the accidents for NASA to see that they needed new spacecraft. Many at NASA knew long ago that new spacecraft were needed. Some argued for new spacecraft, but they were opposed by those who said 1.) it'd cost too much and 2.) that since the old fleet was still functioning well, they could still be flown even though the age of the craft was past what they were originally designed. Many people thought new spacecraft were needed, but some thought it wasn't practical at the time especially since there had been very few major catastrophies.

      My point is that many at NASA understood that new spacecraft were needed. The accidents didn't make them realize this. What the accidents did was take away the argument that the old equipment could still work well despite being older than what the original design specifications stated.

  2. Submits plans for Death Star... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...awaits first prize.

  3. Possibly misleading summary by nebaz · · Score: 4, Informative

    According to the summary

    The Centennial Challenges program is supported by the X Prize Foundation, the Aldridge Commission and some members of Congress, but not all.

    And when the "not all" link is clicked on, here is one blurb

    However, in a June 17 letter to NASA, Reps. James Walsh (R-NY) and Alan Mollohan (D-WV), the chair and ranking member, respectively, of the House Appropriations Committee subcommittee that oversees NASA, denied that request as well as another request to move $24.2 million from two space science missions. It doesn't appear that the two Congressmen have anything against the Centennial Challenges program itself; instead, they are concerned NASA is moving too far ahead on the overall exploration program without Congressional approval.

    This does not say that these Congressman are against the idea, it's possible that they just think NASA is jumping the gun.

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  4. The best thing about the prize system by vuvewux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    is that if a project horribly fails it, NASA doesn't have to pay! No risk!

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  5. Re:Oh, I know something! by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's make a challange to transport humans to Mars by 2030, wouldn't that be fun?

    It would be a complete gas! That is, as long as we use Nuclear Rockets. I *don't* want to have the travelers sitting around for a year and a half while they wait to get to their destination. A NERVA rocket (1960's tech!) could get the astronauts there faster and cheaper. If properly developed, it could even make Mars trips practical.

    Personally, I'm thinking that NASA needs to be financially broken down by:

    - Science (Deep Space Probes, etc.)
    - Engineering (New *cough* propulsion methods)
    - Vehicles and Launch Support

    Congress would fund each of these individually, according to their needs. This way the long term projects (Remote Terrestrial Observation, or exploring Europa) would not be confused with shorter term projects (vehicle design) and Congress won't can the projects because "they're taking too much time and money".

    In addition, Congress can then see a very real return on the money they spend. Invest in a new engine, see the results in 2-3 years. Invest in a vehicle (must be based on existing components put out by the engineering department) and see the results in 2-3 years. Invest in a science probe and see the results 10 years later (as the plan calls for).

  6. Re:Corporate handouts, or a good tactic? by spacecowboy420 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Remember these are prizes, meaning a contest of many parallel efforts which if NASA attempted would surely exceed budgets. It's like paying for a product, not the r&d of all efforts - which is what nasa has essentially been doing (10-30 mill "in house" wouldn't buy very much). No matter how you look at considering all facts, 10-30 mil isn't shit when considering the product produced. Especially when you consider NASA products normally cost amounts that begin with "B". C'mon - just think about the X-prize; 10 million for a reusable spacecraft? How much do you think Nasa would spend on the same endeaver. I would guess SEVERAL *B*illion.

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  7. The best idea so far... by cmowire · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Beat NASA to the Moon. As a "Friendly" competition, the goal would be to beam back pictures of a NASA lunar probe as it lands.

    They've got some good stuff there. A lot of "solve problems that have dogged NASA for a while" sort of things -- lightweight radiation shielding, tanks that can be used for long-term storage in space without the contents boiling off, stuff like that. There's a few big X-prize-ish challenges, like an orbital x-prize mission, a better sub-orbital mission, etc.

    And there's even some talk about some projects oriented at the hobyist or student, most specifically a space suit glove. They were seriosuly considering either lending out vacum chambers or providing the plans so that you could build one for around $300. Which I thought was especially good.

  8. One billion quatloos by stratjakt · · Score: 4, Funny

    To the first to deliver an Infinite Improbability Drive.

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  9. Re:Corporate handouts, or a good tactic? by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My guess is that Rutan's going to have to prove an orbital flyer before they actually take him seriously. Opponents will simply point out that the stresses and heat problems go up exponentially with speed. Since speed is what you need to achieve orbit (much more important than altitude), he'll have a hard time convincing the opponents.

    What SpaceShipOne did do is prove that space travel is open to development by small companies. Once he claims the X-Prize, Rutan should have no trouble in finding investors for an orbital space-plane.