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1984 Comes To Boston

walmass writes "In preparation for the DNC in Boston, 75 cameras monitored by the Federal government will be operating around the downtown Boston location. There are also an unspecified number of state police cameras, and 100 cameras owned by the Metro Boston Transit Authority. Quote: 'And it's here to stay: Boston police say the 30 or so cameras installed for the convention will be used throughout the city once the event is over. "We own them now," said police Superintendent Robert Dunford. "We're certainly not going to put them in a closet."'"

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  1. I'm from Boston and thats fine. by Adolph_Hitler · · Score: 1, Flamebait



    I don't mind cameras in public places. This might help prevent crime since we can't carry guns to defend ourselves.

    Public Cameras are not private and cameras by default are not evil.

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  2. Re:It's a city, and a public place. by 0123456 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    "If you don't like cameras then move out of the city and move to the country where you'll have more privacy"

    This from someone who posts as 'Adolph Hitler'. What exactly do you have to hide, Mr 'Hitler', that you are using a false name in a public place? Or are you just dreaming of the day when you'll be able to use these cameras to round up the Jews and send them to concentration camps?

    Seriously, the real Hitler would have loved this kind of surveillance technology, and had the USSR been able to install it decades ago we'd all have been saying how evil it was. Yet it's fine to have in our 'free' nations today?

  3. Re:Security vs Liberty. by jon787 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    "When a place gets crowded enough to require ID's, social collapse is not far away. It is time to go elsewhere. The best thing about space travel is that it made it possible to go elsewhere." --Heinlein

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  4. Re:Security vs Liberty. by milkisgood · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Don't support the ACLU and EFF. They might appear to be fighting for us, but what they are actually fighting for is the destruction of the moral and ethical foundation that made this country what it is.

    I would rather NOT live with a little danger. Perhaps while you or I may be able to handle it, our loved ones may not. My 70 year old mother certainly cannot. My 10 year old daughter certainly cannot.

    You may be able to take responsibility for your actions as you most likely have learned the difference between right and wrong. There is, however, a growing constituency of individuals who do not.

    The solution to this problem is incredibly simple: family. A child needs a mother and father. A child needs love. With these, a child learns right and wrong, respect and reverence.

    Unfortunately, the obfuscated attempts to 'protect us' from organizations like the ACLU make the once simple task of raising a child an exponentially more difficult endeavor.

  5. Re:Security vs Liberty. by B.Hoover · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Malloci, I am sure glad that you believe that there's a nonviolent solution to every problem throughout the world. Unfortunately, a nonviolent solution when presented to a nation full of hatred towards Americans and the ultimate goal of killing Americans will only be met with violence. The key here was to do exactly what Bush did, amongst the protests (whining) of the liberal left who scream "PEACE THROUGH SITTING AROUND A TABLE AND YAPPING!" Keep the violence in their backyards, instead of mine. I know that sounds selfish, but Americans weren't the ones who came up with a religion that rewards you for killing "The Unwashed Masses of America." And 2nd coming: France isn't getting kickbacks from Saddam. They have a huge population of Muslims. They're scared for their votes. That's why they cry to the "Moral Superiors" in the UN who know how to do nothing useful except debate amongst themselves. The UN is a huge handcuffed bureaucracy that is completely useless in this day and age as a means for creating any type of lasting peace.

  6. Re:Security vs Liberty. by paganizer · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    No doubt.
    For some odd, twisted reason (well, cheap acreage actually), i've been living in the south for the last 12 years; prior to that I was pretty cosmopolitan (St. Louis, Indianapolis, various points in Cali).
    If you painted "god is dead", put a "vote communist" bumperstick on your car and tried to drive from, say, Lexington, KY to Memphis, TN without taking the Interstate, you wouldn't make it.

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    Why, yes, I AM a Pagan Libertarian.
  7. Re:linguistics by rokzy · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    to continue your orange juice analogy; if hundreds of years later it turned out that improved diet didn't mean people needed to worry about vitamin C intake, but that orange juice killed thousands of innocent people a year, then I would be in favour of a law to ban orange juice or at least severely restrict its use to cases of provable necessity.

    I would also consider an ammendment saying OJ was "necessary" for vitamin C to be ignorant of other vitamin C sources and therefore an out of date concept written by people living in a completely different world.