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1984 Comes To Boston

walmass writes "In preparation for the DNC in Boston, 75 cameras monitored by the Federal government will be operating around the downtown Boston location. There are also an unspecified number of state police cameras, and 100 cameras owned by the Metro Boston Transit Authority. Quote: 'And it's here to stay: Boston police say the 30 or so cameras installed for the convention will be used throughout the city once the event is over. "We own them now," said police Superintendent Robert Dunford. "We're certainly not going to put them in a closet."'"

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  1. Hats by toetagger1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So will you still be allowed to wear hats or other facial coverings, so that you can't be identified by those cameras? Or would that be ruled as "unpatriotic" and grounds to be arrested?

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  2. So, here's the question I find interesting. by mcc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Let's say-- we of course hope this will not happen, but stuff is hard to predict-- there are, as is sometimes unavoidable in a situation where there are protesters (and I'm sure there will be protesters) instances of police brutality during the upcoming DNC.

    And let's say that the police cameras record this.

    Do you suppose anything will come of said recordings?

    Another question: when Britain installed similar cameras, there was some thing where some tripped-out version of the FOIA would allow you to request any film they had of you on those cameras. Does Massachusetts have any kind of state-local version of the FOIA that would allow private organizations to request copies of these Boston street cameras?

  3. Re:Security vs Liberty. by noname3 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've handed over thousands of dollars in cash for computers no problem. The worst flak I've ever caught was "may I see some ID?" while $1000 in 20s were passed under a UV light. I initially declined, but then flashed my driver's license because I didn't want to go to another store. Nothing was noted down, the cashier was too busy checking bills.

    I've only been ID'd once, but I've bought PCs, a laptop, and a thousand dollar PDA all in cash with no problem. Everyone has checked at least half the bills under a UV lamp though.

    Hell, a bunch of places have offered to let me avoid tax on small items if I pay in cash.

  4. Re:Security vs Liberty. by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm just waiting for some "patriot" who has line of sight to the lens to aim a laser pointer at it, and leave it there. Some cameras won't be vulnerable to this, but at least a few will be across the street from someone that has a condo with a balcony, wouldn't they?

    Lord knows that if I owned a small business or home near one, they'd never see shit out of it.

  5. Mobile cameras by mikael · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Oddly enough, the police department in various parts of Scotland have discovered that the CCTV cameras installed on public buses have helped to catch criminals. Fixed point cameras are helpful in deterring crime in certain areas, but eventually criminals figure out the blind spots in the system.

    I've seen the television sized screens on the double deckers. A 16" LCD display is mounted on the ceiling at the front of the top deck of the bus. There are around six cameras on the top of the bus which cover the staircase, both sides of the back row of the bus; the favourite location for drunk teenagers -neds (Non Educated Delinquents) and the front of the bus. The display cycles through the entire set of cameras. Quite entertaining if you can get a front row seat. Then you can watch the ned-cam as the bus goes through the city.

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  6. Let's do the same to the government! by dbretton · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I propose that we put a video camera in every hallway and every office of all major government buildings and play the videos back in all major cities across America.

  7. Re:Security vs Liberty. by lpp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I had a friend who went with cash for everything. He lived in an apartment and paid cash for that. A cell phone was out of the question for awhile (this was several years ago) until he managed to get a service plan with Sprint. It was the prepaid version of their plan. Of course, these days you could get a prepaid phone from just about anyone.

    The two biggest things I would see a problem with would be a) big ticket items and b) credit rating.

    The big ticket items like cars and especially houses are going to require you to either save the money and pay cash for them or have a rich relative willing to lend you the money. Saving for a car may not be a big deal, especially if you don't want or need the latest models out of Detroit. Saving up for a house is an exercise I don't have the patience for.

    A credit rating would seem to be useless. If you're living by paying for things with cash, what need do you have for a credit rating? Some companies, however, do background checks on potential employees, including a credit check. Also, and I wish I had more details, I recently was involved in "something" that at first glance I thought should NOT have required a credit check, but the other party did. After it was explained to me, it did some logical, even if I didn't like it. Maybe it was insurance? I don't recall.

    Anyway, you would have a bad credit rating because you would have no credit history.

    This becomes more of an issue if you eventually decide to go back to a non-cash lifestyle, at which point you begin to have serious problems getting better deals (finance rates, for example) on things.

    So continue researching and be careful. If you don't think you can stick with it, I would say it isn't for you.

    What you can do, though, is to reduce your footprint. Eliminate as many cards and other credit accounts as possible while paying for cash as much as you can. Stick with a car note, a house note and a credit card that you use to charge a little bit of money on each month while paying it off completely each billing cycle. Think of it is a "good credit report fee" when you see the small interest charge on each monthly bill.

  8. Re:Naive or what? by Jardine · · Score: 4, Interesting

    actually, it's already illegal to run to Canada. The US and the kanoooooks have had agreements in place for a few years now. Good stuff, huh?

    It was illegal to run to Canada to avoid the draft in the Vietnam era too. The difference now is that the Canadian government has signed a deal with the American government to send back draft dodgers.

    This is not something the average man on the street has heard about. I do wonder how long it would take after the first group of dodgers gets sent back before political pressure would force the Canadian government to stop. Remember that Canada has only once in its history had a draft. And those soldiers drafted were not even sent to the war, they were used to protect home military bases to free up the soldiers who were protecting them.

  9. Re:Raise the alert level..... by demo9orgon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Citizen d474 is so rightwise you can bellyfeel it.

    Citizen 242493 should report themselves for such crimethink and malquote at the thought of facing B.B. and possibly comitting facecrime. When the Boston Hate Week commences, all crimethinkers will be shown to B.B. and know the joycamps.

    Because such crimespeak is fullwise here it will indulge crimethinkers in their fantasies against the Inner Party, what is being shown here is an act of love, blackwhite love shown to the citizens facing possible action from thoughtcrime,sexcrime crimethinkers from the Disupted territories. Our dayorder is love of B.B., the Inner Party, and crimestop.

    Slashdot is so fullwise duckspeak and oldthought. This space is doubleplusungood even for the Pornosec, it's such prolefeed. This article isn't even goodsource for two-minute-hate, but should be enough for the ThinkPol to identify crimethinkers.

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  10. Re:Security vs Liberty. by bigbadwlf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If that's the price to pay, then it's far too high.

    Why is it any different that a cop can see you on camera when they could otherwise see you as they drive by in a patrol car?
    We have cameras downtown here and the world didn't end on the day they were installed.
    Ask the potential victim of the first crime that's prevented because of the cameras if the price is too high.

  11. Re:Security vs Liberty. by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I think you guys in the USA mustn't have been paying attention lately. You have very little real freedom left. With the DMCA, surveilence cameras, a state that locks people up without charges and detains them indefintely, and a media so powerful they won't even let you share your films with your own friends over the internet, about all you have left is freedom of speech - and even that is in doubt. You fingerprint people as they enter your country, have IP laws that stop small software innovators from releasing a competitive product and still enforce the death penalty (which no civilised country still uses). Check your trousers, I think someone has pickpocketed your freedom while you were all busy buying the next big piece of crap that the marketeers have been selling you.

    You *had* freedom, that's for sure, but it's been eroded over the last few decades. You need to act now if you want to preserve what you have left. Let's face it, you can't even show a bit of tit on your TV during the superbowl, just exactly what sort of freedom are you talking about?

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  12. Re:Security vs Liberty. by danila · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is it even possible to live free and untracked anymore? Is this just the price we pay for living in a civilized society?
    Yes, it is. No, it isn't. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that increased surveilance is needed anywhere in the world. The primary reason why more and more tools are being used to track you and me is because the technology is available and the government can never have too much control (in their opinion).

    Nothing changed in our cities from the 1940s - the crimes are the same, rapists, burglars, gangs, murderers, pickpocketers, speeders, flashers, drug dealers - there is no change. Look back 100 more years and the 1840s will be the same. Go back in Europe and 1000 years back in time. The 840s, same crimes, no difference whatsoever. Then go back 1000 years more and move to Rome. Same people lived there, they lived the same lives, with same worries about the same criminals. May be they didn't have iPods with white headphones or expensive mobile handsets to lose to the robbers, but whatever trinkets they carried they probably cared just as much for them as we do for ours.

    How much police did they have? The farther back in time you go, the less police they had per 1000 people. In Ancient Rome there was no police at all. We are scaried of the crime today, they must have lived in constant fear for their lives, haven't they? Turns out, they haven't. Turns out that even without police people somehow managed to stay fine.

    So let me repeat, there is absolutely no reason to have CCTV monitoring of our streets, the illusion of safety they provide is just that - the illusion, but with the attached risk of government abuse. Do we want it? Perhaps not. Do we need it? Absolutely not. Can we change anything? Only by violently overthrowing the government, but it is probably already too late. It's too powerful and it won't die - it will grow, and grow, and grow until it devours the whole world and every free person is controlled by the police state. And ACLU or EFF can't change anything now, they can only slow down the inevitable progress to the totalitarian hell.

    Sad, isn't it?

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  13. Re:Security vs Liberty. by TheLoneDanger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As I understand it, a camera uses RGB to record images. Most lasers (cheap readily available ones) are red and would only overwhelm the red scale part of the image. If they shift it to either the green scale or blue scale part of the data, they can see just fine. If you want to go to the trouble of setting up a red, blue and green laser combo to hit a camera, then you could be relatively sure.

    Of course, if I am very wrong, I would like to know that and why. Thanks.

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  14. Re:Security vs Liberty. by Artifakt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I live in the south, and believe it or not, most of what you're talking about happens here too. Yes there's been some trouble with people who have kneejerk reactions to the explicit atheism of the "god is dead" variety, but even that is generally tolerated. No one down here is ripping Darwin fish off cars (I admit my Cthulhu fish gets some looks), one of the local 7-11's has a big sign out front praising Allah in both English and Farsi, (although since 9/11 they have also put up some newspaper clippings quoting prominent muslems saying "We're not all terrorists" type sentiments, so maybe they are a touch worried about being allowed to express their opinions), and the Wicca supply shop in the arts and crafts mall hasn't been picketed yet. Put up a "God is dead" sign down here, and eventually some jerk just might burn it down, but the police will at least take that seriously, and the local church is likely to just put up a sign reading "Sorry yours is dead, ours is feeling fine." Judging by the last general election, somebody voted for Angela Davis, and no one is trying to winkle him or her out, although maybe that's because it's not like there are enough Communists or classical socialists to take seriously.

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  15. Re:Security vs Liberty. by Atzanteol · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Being free to do something does *not* mean you won't take flak for doing it.

    I can walk into harlem and shout a long stream of racial slurs, but I can't expect people to just say "Well, he's free to do that!"

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