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Ethernet at 10 Gbps

An anonymous reader writes "This article talks about 10 Gigabit Ethernet and asks, 'But just how much data can a person consume?' Currently at work, we're working on a major project to re-architect our core application platform so that the different systems can be de-coupled and hosted separately. The legacy design implicitly relies on systems being in the same LAN due to bandwidth-expensive operations (e.g., database replication). Having this much bandwidth would change the way we design. What would you do with this much bandwidth?"

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  1. Hmm... by ravenspear · · Score: 5, Funny

    What would you do with this much bandwidth?"

    Check out more unusual positions.

  2. Re:What would I do? by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Thing is, since we're working within our limitations today it's hard to concieve of whta use it'd be.

    Isn't that always the way? I remember having a 20Mhz IBM PS/2 and wondering "How am I going to use all this power?" And the 30 MB hard drive- how would I ever use all that space?

    It seems like when we have the capabilities, we find something to do with the extra. HDTV sounds probable, and more bandwidth can only help working over networks on a mass scale (remote home folders and roaming profiles, VNC/Citrix), but you never know. When processors were getting to the 1Ghz point, a bunch of industry analysts were predicting "Now that we have enough power to make working speech-recognition software, we can finally ditch those keyboards!" Yeah, right.

    The big concern is, with the extra bandwidth, will Microsoft see this as an opportunity to release new, extra-inefficient network protocols?

  3. Presidential Bioinformatics by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 5, Funny
    But just how much data can a person consume?'

    100 Megabytes per chromosome
    x 23 chromosomes per gamete
    x 20 million gametes per ejaculation

    Therefore Ms. Lewinsky can consume roughly 46,000,000,000 megabytes
    (assuming that there is no overflow to a dress)

    How much can you consume?

    1. Re:Presidential Bioinformatics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Close, but not entirely accurate.

      A single gamete has 1.5 billion individual base pairs. Of course, that's base-4, since DNA doesn't work off of binary. ACGT is what you're made of. :) In other words, you have 3 billion bits per DNA strand. The average male ejaculation contains around 150 million sperm. This means that there is a total of 450,000,000,000,000,000 bits of information, which turns into 56.25 petabytes of information. That number is close to yours, but your information is wrong.

      The fact that I just corrected you is pretty sad as well.

  4. Way overkill by JRHelgeson · · Score: 5, Informative

    As a CCIE, I have been designing networks for years. I have analyzed traffic to/from desktops and watched traffic to the average desktop never even get above 27mbps. This is due to the average file size of the transfer which is rarely above 10 megabytes. At 10 megs, it only takes a few seconds to get it transfered and it only has a few seconds to get up to speed, by the time it gets all revved up, the file transfer is complete.

    High-end workstations such as CAD with gigabit connections, working with 500 mb files, or multi-gigabit video files will occasionally reach 500 to 600 mbps, and even then only for a couple of seconds. At these speeds, power users can use that network connection as if it were a local drive, because at those speeds you are matching the speed at which you're reading/writing data to your local hard drive.

    The only time I've ever seen near gigabit traffic at a steady pace was at network servers, where traffic can reach a steady 600mbps on a single gig link - which is maxing out the speed at which the server drive can read/write data to its hard drive. Think of it this way, a 1 gigaBIT link can transfer a 1 gigaBYTE file in about 10 seconds, that's FAST! Conversely, it takes nearly 20-30 seconds just to write that large a file to the hard drive.

    Now, on a Cisco 6500 core switch, or a Cisco GSR 12000 where traffic is aggregated, these are the only places where I've actually seen multi-gigabit traffic rates, and that was across the switch fabric - not all directed to a single interface.

    The 12000 GSR already has a 10gb interface, it is a single line card that takes up a full slot. It sells for about $60,000 and is used to move data from the switch fabric of one GSR to another GSR, which means you need to put in 2 of them at a mere $120,000 to get the two connected.

    Moving to optical links, you can get up to 36Gbps using Dense Wavelength Division Multiplexing on multimode fiber. This uses several colors of laser light to transmit multiple 'channels' across a single fiber link.

    Even at these tremendous speeds, they are only used at traffic aggregation points, again because any network device, even a turbocharged SAN couldn't handle reading/writing at those speeds for anything longer than a quick burst.

    I say this: If you think that 10gig/sec is your answer, you're looking at the wrong problem. You can get the performance you need at gigabit rates.

    I'm not saying that we'll never need 10gigabit to the desktop, just not until we solve the hard drive bottleneck. Solid state storage could solve the problem, but we'd need to have solid state drives that store 100gb of data in order to match the throughput of the network.

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  5. Re:What would I do with this much bandwidth? by leapis · · Score: 5, Informative

    This much bandwidth isn't going to help you do any of these things. I upgraded my network to gigabit ethernet about a year ago (from 100 mbit), and much to my surprise, the speed increase was only about 3 times when copying files from one machine to another. I did a little math, and found the answer. Your average ATA hard drive, even at max bus speed, only delivers 0.8 Gbps. And in the real world, you are lucky to get half that from a single drive. In my own test transfers from RAID1 and RAID5 arrays, my transfer rates never once exceeded 0.70 Gbps. Until there is a fundamental increase in the amount of data you can get off a spinning disc, its not likely that a home user is going to saturate a 1 Gbps line, much less a 10 Gbps line.

  6. Dumb terminals? Cluster computing? by Entropius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's see. There are about a million pixels on my screen (1280 x 800). Assume 24 bit color, so that's 24 megabits per frame.

    This at 60 fps will be 1.44 Gbps.

    So 10-Gbps ethernet is enough to stream the output of a monitor, *uncompressed*, at full framerate, to either a dumb terminal or another computer. Even the most elementary compression (only reporting changed pixels, or PNG/jpeg techniques) could cut this to a fraction of 1.44Gbps.

    More generally, it could allow more of the things that are currently on the PCI/USB bus to become external, and could become a more flexible replacement for USB. Scanners, cd writers, audio devices, you name it ... lots of things could be externalized and generalized. This would also allow more devices to be shared across networks more easily, since they're *on* the network in any case. With the Internet, nobody cares about the physical location of the machines they access; likewise, with this system peripherals aren't associated as strongly with one specific computer.

    This sort of thing might also have applications for cluster computing, allowing more sorts of things to be done with clusters since you have higher inter-node bandwidth.

  7. Re:Remote Virtual Immersion by MP3Chuck · · Score: 5, Funny

    Imagine a malpractice lawsuit!

    Exhibit A: Surgery Log
    [DR]Surgeon opened Xx[Patient]xX's abdomen with a scalpel.
    [DR]Surgeon punctures Xx[Patient]xX's stomach with forceps.
    Xx[Patient]xX: OMGWTF??!!
    [DR]Assistant: ROFL PWNED!!1
    [DR]Surgeon: STFU N00B i ping 350
    Xx[Patient]xX: w/e