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3D Sound by Creator of MP3

im333mfg writes "News.com has an article detailing the Fraunhofer Institute for Media Technology's latest and greatest audio solution, Iosono, or as they're putting it 'true three dimensional audio, which can give the impression of, for example, a horse galloping through the center aisle of a movie theater, or pinpoint a noise so that it sounds exactly like a person shouting from outside theater walls. The best existing surround sound speakers can approximate this only for a small sweet spot, perhaps a few feet wide, while the Iosono system would create the same realistic illusion for everyone in the room.'"

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  1. 300 speakers? by nuggz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To do this, they use an array of small speakers, sometimes as many as 300 or 400.

    Not very surprising that 300 speakers will give you a better surround experience.

    1. Re:300 speakers? by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Which also means this technology will work in 0% of today's theaters without retrofitting, and will likely never be sold at the consumer level.

      Nice idea... but I don't think this one's getting off the chalkboard.

    2. Re:300 speakers? by Jim+Starx · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Cinemas need to do something to add to the film experience, and preferably do something that the consumer will not be able to afford for a considerable amount of time.

      Like having a giant screen to show the movie on??

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  2. (Submarine) patents? by art6217 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Is not this the same institute that had the submarine MP3 patents? I might be wrong and their work is probably very interesting, but obvious "patents" might perhaps turn it into another GIF/MP3/...-like story.

    Byt the way, anyone knows how is it related to this: Single Speaker Unit Delivers Surround Sound?

    1. Re:(Submarine) patents? by danila · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As much as I despise patents, it's not like they prevented GIF and MP3 formats from being widely used. It doesn't sound too bad when patents are used not to prevent competition, but to get back some of the money you spent on research.

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  3. Hologram by femto · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I sounds like an audio hologram. What's so great about that?

    No doubt they have taken patents out, despite audio holograms being described in a speech at Dennis Garbor's 1971 Nobel prize ceremony. Presumably there are papers out there dating from 1950 as well.

    People have also been using computers to generate holograms for years, so the algorithms can hardly be new.

  4. 300-400 speakers? by gotpaint32 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To do this, they use an array of small speakers, sometimes as many as 300 or 400. A complicated algorithm works out exactly what the sound waves all through a room would be if, say, the horse were galloping through the center aisle

    Yes thats right 300-400 speakers, i must say this is downright impractical for all but the most crazed of audiophiles. Interesting and superior technology to whats out there, but sounds like this will go the way of the betamax

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  5. So do they hand you your headphones... by pla · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So do they hand you your headphones when you first enter the theatre (thus dooming you to a particular seat), or after you sit down?


    Once again, we run into an amusing attempt to get around a fundamental limit in human perception... We have two ears, and our skin can detect (with almost no dicriminatory ability) strong low-frequency sound. Two channels plus the bass.

    So why do research groups like Dolby and Fraunhofer keep coming out with new ideas like this "3d" sound? More channels (given an encoding that can make use of them) just adds degrees of freedom to where someone can sit (ie, expands the "sweet" spot) and get decent quality sound - At the expense of more, higher-quality speakers, various sound dampening and/or reflecting materials, architectural considerations, etc. Quality headphones and a subwoofer, OTOH, can always do better, with no extra requirements beyond not having too much background noise.

    1. Re:So do they hand you your headphones... by PenguiN42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Quality headphones and a subwoofer, OTOH, can always do better, with no extra requirements beyond not having too much background noise.

      Ah, but headphones can only easily position sound relative to your head's position and orientation -- whereas this room wafefront synthesis system positions sound relative to the *room*. A sound 50 feet behind the right wall will sound 50 feed behind the right wall to a listener no matter where they are sitting in the theater and no matter which way they're looking.

      To emulate this with headphones, you'd need some sort of position/orientation tracking system on each pair of headphones. So now the question is, which is more complex: hundreds of fixed speakers playing phase-synchronized sounds in a coordinated fashion, or hundreds of individual headphone units with tracking devices each playing one version of the virtual "source" material customized for each listener?

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    2. Re:So do they hand you your headphones... by polyp2000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ah, but headphones can only easily position sound relative to your head's position and orientation -- whereas this room wafefront synthesis system positions sound relative to the *room*.

      Is this really what someone watching a film wants? This technology might be cool for theme events etc but when you are in the cinema you are sitting in one position and not moving around. I myself as a film goer would prefer to know that wherever i sat in the auditorium i'd be getting the same experience as everyone else. And from a movie producers point of view id want everyone who saw my film to have an equal experience.

      when you are watching something on a movie screen you want the audio relative to the movie ; what you are watching. Not to the room in which you are watching.

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  6. From a Audiophile's standpoint by cpct0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So far, the only true sound reproduction without any purity problem that was ever created is monaural. It doesn't have phasing problems, it doesn't have listener's position problems, it doesn't have any problem whatsoever. We know the sound is coming from that column you see there and the sound is pristine, perfect quality.

    Since the 70's, stereophonic sound has made it big. We all know stereo sound is perfect to listen to music. And it truly is. You can immerse yourself in music, be with the musicians. We still have problems with phasing, with distortion, with creating a really good panoramic sound, with filling the room with music, with being able not to pinpoint where the speakers are... these are slowly resolved. We're getting there.

    Then there's the 3-channel surround sound... 4-channel... 5-channel... 6-channel... 7-channel...

    Heck, when I go see a recent movie, I hardly hear the 3rd channel being used. Sometimes with some SFX, sometimes with some bad quality wooshing effect. Some movies will be pointed to me as using that quality I am looking for. What are they? 5 movies over the whole lot?

    Take the latest James Bond. You sometimes hear ambience on the back speakers... ooh big deal.

    And don't speak me about the "walking stick" the ".1" channel is. If the quality was there, we would have 5 real channels of pure full-frequency range sound, including low frequencies.

    So for me, this experiment is precisely that ... an experiment. If it works, it will become another IMAX/OMNIMAX where you need to go to science expos to see carefully selected footage that will give you the maximum sensations and show what it should be in movies.

    And what about the quality of these speakers? I mean, I can barely buy two good speakers at $1000. What about 200? What about all the problems of movie production, sound reproduction, positionning, quality, sound check, ...? When most theaters are not even THX approved and don't plan on be... and when most movies don't really use anything else than left-center-right ... What's the deal?

    Would a movie producer be really interested in making a scene where you hear two actors arriving from the aisles, where you hear them perfectly but don't see them on screen because it would all screw up our small minds, seeing them in front but hearing them to our side? Meh, not so sure!

    Anyways, let's just finish this by saying : Ok, 500 speakers if you want... but start by give me the same quality and use that quality in 5 channels ... and I will start to be interested to 500.

    Mike