Slashdot Mirror


Microsoft Longhorn To Support HD DVD Format

MSDVD writes "Microsoft's Japanese Division reported that its upcoming operating system, code-named Longhorn, will support HD DVD format. HD DVD is an enhanced version of the standard DVD technology. According to online reports, Microsoft is pushing the next-generation blue-laser DVD technology like NEC and Toshiba. Blue-light technology can read and write data much faster and at higher densities, which is needed for high-definition content. Few Japanese companies said they will have HD DVD content based DVDs by next year to support the players."

14 of 265 comments (clear)

  1. Blu-ray by halo1982 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So with Microsoft throwing its support behind HD-DVD, does this mean that Sony's Blu-ray will go the way of Betamax (and to a lesser extent Minidisc)?

    1. Re:Blu-ray by Jordy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not really. Blu-Ray has a rather large group of companies behind it including Hitachi, JVC, LG, Panasonic, Philips, Pioneer, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, Dell, HP and Zenith.

      Microsoft likes HD-DVD because it uses their hacked up MPEG-4 CODEC. Microsoft "supporting" it in Longhorn doesn't mean much as both formats are supposed to start shipping years before Longhorn exists (2005). No doubt any PC drive manufacturers will have to write their own drivers.

      The rest of the industry likes Blu-Ray because it has a higher storage capacity (54 GB vs. 30 GB), uses MPEG-2 so movie/television companies don't need to re-encode their HDTV streams and has Sony behind it (movie studio/music label).

      --
      The world is neither black nor white nor good nor evil, only many shades of CowboyNeal.
  2. No Unique Selling Point by Sad+Loser · · Score: 4, Insightful


    The take up of DVD and CD technologies has been driven by content. However, sales of "CD plus" technology (high resolution CD, DVD-audio) are going nowhere fast, despite the hype.
    While these technologies will be nice to have for storage, I can't see that joe average is suddenly going to go out and re-buy their DVD collection.
    I believe the average punter has a fairly good feel for what is 'good enough' and it won't take off.

    I suspect that this is driven by Hollywood with its hand up Microsoft's bottom pulling the strings, wanting to move away from the CD and DVD debacle as soon as it can. Unfortunately the genie is out of the bag.
    (mixed metaphors are the new black).

    --
    Humorous signatures are over-rated.
    1. Re:No Unique Selling Point by radixvir · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Most average joes i know didnt even get a dvd player because of the additional features or the better picture quality. no it was just because video rental stores started carrying dvds instead of vhs tapes! the moral of the story: if they want to push HDDVD, get blockbuster to buy in.

  3. DVD going the way of Betamax? by SIGALRM · · Score: 4, Funny
    Microsoft's Japanese Division reported that its upcoming operating system, code-named Longhorn, will support HD DVD format
    I'm not so sure the DVD format itself will still be around by the time Longhorn eventually ships--after all, we're still waiting for SP2...
    --
    Sigs cause cancer.
    1. Re:DVD going the way of Betamax? by El-Kelvinator · · Score: 5, Funny

      By the time Longhorn ships, we will have 0.5" think laptops running at 3Ghz with quad cores, and blu-ray players will be rife in the market.
      Not to mention hovercars, antigrav boots, and cloned pets...

      Well, 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

  4. Avoid proprietary codecs, use Blu-ray by Eric+Smith · · Score: 4, Informative
    If we want a format that doesn't rely on a proprietary codec, we'd better pray that Sony and the rest of the Blu-ray camp step up their efforts! Blu-ray does not require, or even support, MS proprietary codes; it uses good old MPEG 2 video.

    MPEG video is encumbered by patents for a few more years, but at least the details are publicly available.

  5. Or to paraphrase "Men in Black" by the_skywise · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Guess I'll have to buy the White Album again."

  6. Wow by cubicledrone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Amazing isn't it? We have all these incredible new technologies for communications, literature and entertainment and our great cultural accomplishments are sequels to Cinderella and Scooby Doo.

    --
    Business isn't willing to pay for products, innovation and careers, so we get brands, mortgage commercials and layoffs.
  7. All Considered... by hunterx11 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm glad that Microsoft will support this :)

    --
    English is easier said than done.
  8. MS Longhorn also to support... by Eberlin · · Score: 4, Funny

    Time travel -- as the OS gets postponed further into the future, efforts are underway to have built in time-travel.

    Space travel -- care of Paul Allen. Everyone who can afford to purchase a copy of Longhorn will get vouchers for a free ride on SpaceShip-ME.

    OogaBoogle will be built in. This is Microsoft's next generation search engine. Incorporating Yukon into the filesystem, folks will be able to wade through all the metadata they could ever want, and more!

    Plug and Play support for the USB 5.0 matter transmogrifier. We don't have a prototype yet, but um...by the time Longhorn is stable, I'm sure we'll have the transmogrifier supported.

    IE will be fully xhtml 1.0 and CSS1 compliant.

    Lastly, each package will be bundled with Duke Nukem Forever.

  9. See, this is what's wrong with Microsoft... by rewt66 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In a reasonable world, you wouldn't have to wait for a new OS release to support a new media format, because the video codecs wouldn't be part of the OS...

  10. Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    HD DVD is a blue laser disc format but the manufacturing techniques are similar to those for red-laser discs.

    As explained the main difference is that BluRay places the recording layer 0.1 mm below the surface of the media to maximize data capacity at around 27gb for single and 54 gb for dual layer. This will require disc manufacturers to build new factories because this is completely different from DVD and CD specifications. Because of this the layer of protective plastic will be very thin which some have speculated will initially require either a special layer of protective plastic which has been reported to decrease reliability or it will require the discs to be contained in a cartridge (think magneto-optical). Carts would, of course, increase production costs and REALLY increase end user costs.

    HD DVD places the recording layer at 0.6mm below the surface which is currently the standard used by DVD so that DVD manufacturing plants can make either format discs on the same assembly lines. This is at a cost, though, with a reduced capacity at 15gb for single layer and 30 gb for dual layer. And, of course, the existing protective layer will be sufficient as it is the same as the standard DVD.

    The actual codecs supported will be the same for both formats. Both will support MPEG-2, MPEG-4, and (probably) Microsoft's WM9 codecs. As part of Microsoft's deal to get WM9 included in the HD DVD spec it was forced to open the specification to allow competitors to make products for encoding and decoding. Their benefit will be a share of the royalties for products that encode or decode HD-DVD content and sales of encoding/decoding software that they produce, but the deal does not include in any way a monopoly on encoder/decoder software.

    The main difference, as stated, is the distance for the recording layer from the surface of the media which changes the maximal capacity because of the effect on the intensity of the laser as it passes through the media.

  11. Re:Question--anyone care to answer? by DarkMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 both, at thier core, operate on the same principles as MPEG-1 (in the video layer).

    That is, store only the difference between frames. Do this by spliting it into a series of blocks, and examining each block.

    The devil is, as they say, in the details. I admit I'm fuzzy on a number of them, but this should be a respectable overview.

    MPEG-2 uses a straightforward system of frames and partial frames (I frames, or key frames in DivX terms), and B and P frames (the two types of partial frames).

    MPEG-4 adds a longer group of pictures (more P frames between I frames), additional encoding formats, and motion compensation. That last is the biggie - it means that if you're panning side to side, you just tell the codec to move the block a bit, and then give it the other bits. As compared to having to give it the scene shifted half a block.

    MPEG-4 is also much more complex. I belive that any MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 bitstream is a valid MPEG-4 bitstream (or at least, is with a simple header rewrite). MPEG-4 has various additional bits, such as motioncompensation allowed to go out of frame, 1/4 pixel motion comp, B frames, variable sized motion comp blocks, mutlipe frame motion comp and other goodies. I don't think there is an actual codec that supports all of that lot, never mind the rest of the optional parts of the spec yet. That's why there are multiple MPEG-4 codecs - each can use a differnt goodie bag to try to be better than the others.

    Other differences are the audio layers used. AAC is part of MPEG-4, in the same way that MP3 was part of MPEG-1.

    As far as the best format for a disc goes - neither. In principle, the additional flexability of MPEG-4 should result in better picture / sound for same disk space. In practice, it's all perceptual anyway, so they turn the quality down until someone notices artifacts, and then nudge it up a touch. Sometimes, one might be better, other times the other, but as there is a human tweaking knobs at the backend, you can't tell in advance.