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Sony's $700 Linux-based Remote Control

SlashdotMeNow points out a remote control to consider if money is no object: "The NAVITUS from Sony has a 64k colour touch-screen with tactile response, 32MB of RAM and a 200MHz processor. Looking at the photos it looks like a sexy little beast! It uses Linux as an OS and you can customise just about everything about it by linking it up to your PC. Hell, this thing is more powerful than my iPAQ. Useful for replacing your TV, DVD, sound system and other home entertainment system remotes, it can also control your lights and air conditioner. ... Just be careful using the Memory Stick slot - you don't want to get a virus on a device that controls your whole house!" Of course, that would have to be a Linux virus ...

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  1. Way to pricey... by chrispyman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While that sure does seem like the ultimate remote, who in their right mind would put $700 down for something as simple as a remote? Maybe it's just me, but wouldn't lowering the price quite a bit make 'em sell like hotcakes?

    1. Re:Way to pricey... by idlemind · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The same type of people who would buy that remote might also buy B&W Nautilus speakers for about $50,000

    2. Re:Way to pricey... by bedouin · · Score: 4, Informative

      I generally agree with you, but . . . this thing seems to control nearly every imaginable device one could have bought for their home entertainment system in the past 15 years.

      Tape decks, DAT machines, Laser Disc players, lighting, air conditioners, etc. I could see how this would be interesting for a real enthusiast. The only thing not covered here are reel to reels and turntables, and that's probably only because those don't have remotes. To control all this stuff with a traditional remote you'd need something the size of a keyboard.

    3. Re:Way to pricey... by shaitand · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How is that different than any other touchscreen remote you pick up for $150 or less?

      Afaik there is nothing special about how this control things, any universal remote can do it, you just don't have suitable buttons and with a programmable touchscreen universal of any kind you eliminate the button problem...

    4. Re:Way to pricey... by NexusTw1n · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The same kind of people who go to AMX for wired home solutions.

      There are only 2 main players in the millionare home and lecture theatre/boardroom setup - AMX and Crestron . Both charge an arm and a leg for solutions.

      AMX even have their own unique programming language which means lucrative engineer visits every time you add a new piece of kit. It is very Visual Basic like but the only way to learn the language and acquire the compilier is spend a fortune on an AMX programming course. A user programmable remote control for $700 is easily a better solution for homes and small offices.

      This could be Sony's attempt to break into the market, there is a huge gap between the millionare home theatre system, and the consumer level home theatre setup, Sony could well be planning to target this untapped market.

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    5. Re:Way to pricey... by ruprechtjones · · Score: 3, Funny

      How is that different than any other touchscreen remote you pick up for $150 or less?

      um, this one goes to eleven....

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    6. Re:Way to pricey... by WormholeFiend · · Score: 4, Funny

      [flamesuit on]

      the cost of the remote is just a dollar, the rest is just the linux licencing fee... ;)

  2. But... by Tuxedo+Jack · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can you restrict access to, say, changing the channel depending on priviliges?

    And just how the hell can you log in on a remote control anyways? What would the command prompt look like?

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  3. Jacking in from the "Big Fucking Deal" port by multiplexo · · Score: 3, Insightful
    OK, it's a Philips Pronto that runs Linux. Who cares? Just because something runs Linux doesn't make it interesting or significant, perhaps it did in the late 1990s, but it's 2004, everyone knows that Linux is cool, especially device manufacturers who can use it for free and get an operating system much better than Windows CE (Is the abbreviation for Windows CE, WinCE, is one of the worst ever in the history of computer product names or what?) and not end up having to pay the Microsoft tax.

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    1. Re:Jacking in from the "Big Fucking Deal" port by hpj · · Score: 3, Informative
      I have a Philips ProntoPro NG and am loving it and it's been available for a while. And if Linux is a must have, try the iPronto. If you are really serious about your remote needs check out the RemoteCentral site which have a bunch of info on remotes and also a lot of predefined stuff for most of the Pronto models.

      /Mauritz

  4. Here's a cheaper idea by psetzer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think that it would be cheaper to take advantage of the fact that just about every PDA out there has a built in IR transmittor. Just program it to act like a universal remote and you can save yourself several hundred dollars. Heck, if I were bored enough, I'd do it myself. I do know that it's possible to do it with a Lego Mindstorms Control Brick, so this should be doable, if not easy.

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    1. Re:Here's a cheaper idea by Phexro · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yeah, unfortunately, most IrDA transmitters in PDA type hardware isn't strong enough to control AV equipment very well. You end up having to get really close to the TV to use the PDA (or cellphone) based remote, and at that point you can just stick your arm out and use the buttons.

      I've tried using various AV remote software on Palm 3, Palm V, and (most recently) my Nokia 3650 phone. The results have always been disappointing.

      On the other hand, a Bluetooth based remote would rock.

      (Warning: beer-swilling geek trivia/rambling follows)

      When I throw a party, I hook my laptop's video out up to my TV, audio to the stereo, and load up a 3-5 hour playlist and some XMMS visualizations. With Bemused and KDE Bluetooth, I can control the media player from my Nokia from anywhere in my apartment. Line-of-sight is not necessary, so I can be in the bathroom vomiting and queue up my favorite vomit music with ease.

      It would be great if I could control my regular AV setup with Bluetooth. I could do it from my PC, laptop, cellphone, PDA, or whatever else. Even better would be something like this, but more universal. It would be great if I could stream audio from my PC to my stereo via Bluetooth, controlled by another BT device.

      Be even better if BT had enough bandwidth to do video.

    2. Re:Here's a cheaper idea by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny
      so I can be in the bathroom vomiting and queue up my favorite vomit music with ease.

      Yeah! Celine Dion!!

      Oh, you mean "music to vomit by," not "music to induce vomiting." My bad.

  5. Ive often thought about... by ErichTheWebGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... hacking a 3COM Audrey to do the exact same thing. It runs QNX natively, but I think you can put Linux on it. There are discussions from time to time on AudreyHacking.com but I don't think anyone has (yet).

    The Audrey has a touch-screen and IR port built in. You can get em pretty cheap from e-bay, sometimes even new in the box. Since 3COM no longer offers the service that is required to run the Audrey, you can get em fairly readily (noone has any real use for em).

    Probably pretty time-consuming to try to hack one to be a remote like TFA describes, but might be worth it for someone willing to expend the energy! :) Oh, and if anyone does, you gotta post about it on Slashdot!

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  6. ....a remote? by System.out.println() · · Score: 3, Funny

    The poster mentioned this was more powerful than his iPaq. Why the hell would Sony offer this (expecting it to be a success?) and not brand it as a PDA? Their Clie's offered remote-control functionality - in addition to being a PDA - and costed a whole lot less than this thing.

    So the gut reaction turns out to be right - $700 for a fucking remote?

  7. If you want to know why it costs $700... by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 5, Informative

    I thought it was a little steep, but after reading this:

    "Tactile Response Display

    Most touch screens are lifeless and inert. It's often hard to know whether or not your command has even registered. The NAVITUS remote is dramatically different. Imagine an LCD screen that actually presses back against your fingertip to confirm each command. With TouchEngine(TM) Technology, you're operating with confidence."


    I realised that turning on the Playboy channel will never be the same again. And it runs Linux... sound like a geeks wet dream to me.

  8. Re:wow by Doppler00 · · Score: 3, Funny

    yeah, but I can take that same $700 that would have bought this remote and buy Doom 3, a GeForce 6800 pro, and maybe some more RAM.

    Have fun changing channels :)

  9. Easy way to teach Linux... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    TV1$ Playboy Channel: Access denied
    TV1$ man chmod

  10. An Axim would do better by Fiz+Ocelot · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The Dell Axim has a very powerful IR transmitter, it seems to perform just as well as my regular remotes. The only thing the sony has over this is a better interface, however the axim has Wifi and bluetooth :)

    I've thought about how it would be fun to write a nice remote control program for it, but there's no time for that yet.

  11. Incredibly overengineered by lingqi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can't imagine what sane mind would try to market something like this! Let's see...

    1) remote should be take anywhere, put anywhere device, as this thing is a huge power-hog, it needs no rest on the charging stand when not in use.

    2) remote controls basically sends a relatively short sequence of bits to an infrared LED when a certain button is pressed. It does not need a 200MHz processor or a 65k colour screen to do this. In fact, this gets back to the battery / power thing - you can make a remote control that functions perfectly that can last a year on two alkaline cells.

    3) if you really want customizability, the remote itself doesn't have to do all of this! it would be much wiser and cheaper and easier (more later) to simply have the remote be programmable via, say, a computer - it'd be like writing to a cheap FPGA, if you want the remote to be that powerful. as for easier - programming a remote on a well designed application on a computer monitor would be much easier than doing the same on the tiny remote display, no?

    4) and it's like... twice the price of my TV! geez... fuck, i might as well write an app for my palm to control the TV via the infrared port. Heck it might be cheaper too...

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    1. Re:Incredibly overengineered by Tyrell+Hawthorne · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Fellow Slashdotters, please learn this: the fact that something doesn't suit you doesn't mean it's crap. Remember, you are not the customer. There's a market for advanced do-it-all remotes. Just to name an example, Philips made the Pronto which is a touch-screen remote. It cost a few hundred dollars, a friend of mine's dad has one. He also recently spent $5000 or more upgrading his hifi set. Philips decided there's a market for even more up-scale remotes, so they've introduced a Pronto with a color display, for someting like $1200 if my memory serves me right.

      This device from Sony does a whole lot of things better than previous offerings on the market (more powerful, more legible screen, tactile feedback LCD display, and hard buttons, to name a few). People spend tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars on home cinema sets. They can afford to spend $700 on one of these.

      Aside from being really nice for the intended customers, it has a high geek coolnes factor. Stop complaining, start drooling!

  12. Can you watch TV on it? by Ark42 · · Score: 3, Funny


    Can you watch TV on it?
    On the remote itself?
    For $700 I hope so.

  13. How far we've come.... by CHaN_316 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's scary to think that this individual remote control has more computer power than the on-board computer of the Apollo spacecraft back in the day.

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    1. Re:How far we've come.... by Sir_Real · · Score: 4, Funny

      I have a toaster with more computer power than the on-board computer of the Apollo space craft. And a watch. And a calculator. And if I get really lucky, I can buy a coke can that does too.

  14. $700!!! That's crazy talk! by anactofgod · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I just can't figure out what justifies that price tag. There is no way any remote control should cost this much, let alone *this* remote. The feature list is underwhelming. This paperweight-in-training shouldn't cost more than ~$150.

    The key to these sort of speciality devices is the user-interface design. If Sony holds true to form, they'll have tried to fold in way too many functions, with way too little thought on how to make accessing those functions intuitive.

    Plus, when you spill a beer on it and short it out , it's really gonna suck.

    This remote may belong in a "smart home", but it'd be one with a really dumb owner.

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  15. Wanted: NAVITUS Configuration Engineer by anactofgod · · Score: 4, Funny

    Must have 5+ years experience in programming remote controls and configuring consumer electronics. Proficiency with all major manufacturers of mid-grade consumer electronics a must. In addition, familiarity with 2 or more high-end manufacturer's desired. Educational requirements: Must not be old enough to have a high-school diploma, though exceptionally talented older engineers may be considered. Strong references from parents, relatives and neighbors required. Competitive pay commensurate with experience.

    Please help, my VCR has been blinking "12:00" for three years now!

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  16. Re:Why? by dustinbarbour · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The idea is to make life easier and give you more time to enjoy life. Remember the optimism of the 50s.. (at least in America)? The idea was for there to be less time spent working and more time spent playing without sacrificing on the amount of work done. Make work faster.. make everything easier. Having one remote is far easier than having 6. Believe me.. I've got plenty and wish I had this bad-boy. Let's see.. TV, cable box, stereo receiver, DVD player, home automation.. That's five.

    I understand your point, though. America is getting FAT and not having to get up from the couch to change the channel certainly isn't helping. However, keep in mind that a lot of people do still get outside and participate in physical activity. I, for instance, play hockey quite regularly, and spend my weekend hiking, going to the lake etc.. I don't need the extra workout of turning my tv on at the tv itself.

    So this remote is handy and attractive to manywithout the fear of them getting fat.

  17. I've wanted for a while by phr1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    to use my Sharp Zaurus PDA as a remote control for my music/video library. The Zaurus would just run a web browser over a WiFi card in the CF slot. The server with my Vorbis and video files would run a straightforward web application that I'd browse with the Zaurus. I could search for titles, look at artwork and lyrics, and whatever; and there would be an XMMS-like control panel that would let me play stuff through the speakers and on the monitor. No need for a CD player or DVD's or anything; it would all come straight off the hard disc and out the audio and VGA ports.

  18. Philips already have a remote with wifi, web, EPG by blorg · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm sure it can be hacked if you're good. Turn it into a nice little PDA and check TV listings from it!!

    The Philips iPronto TSi6400 actually does this - has 802.11b built-in and automatically updates a program guide on the remote. Also has a web browser. Linux-based OS too, I believe.

  19. Re:where is the limit? by egomaniac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I see his stuff and I think who in their right mind would want any of this?

    You are going to have the materialistic mega rich who after buying this stuff are gonna confirm the fact that they are just out there to pump their lives full of materialistic crap pefore they die. May be priding them selves on how sophisticated and character filled they are by the amount of technological crap hey own.


    Ah, yes. If you can't afford it, then it's by definition a waste of money. See Aesop's parable of the sour grapes.

    I make a lot of money, and consequently have a lot of "materialistic crap", including two $1,000 remote controls (one for the living room, one for the home theater). While I'm sure that that seems like a terrible waste of money to you, keep in mind that the only reason you can afford a lot of the technology you can today (computers, televisions, etc.) is that the "materialist mega rich", a.k.a. early adopters, bought the stuff when it was ridiculously expensive and therefore helped to finance the R&D that made it affordable to the masses.

    In ten years, when plasma TVs are a commodity item, I'm sure you'll still look down your nose at the idiots who spend $20,000 on them today. And I'm sure the thought "Hey, if they hadn't done that, the technology would have stagnated and I wouldn't have been able to afford mine" won't even cross your mind.

    Society needs early adopters. Whether it's the latest and greatest $500 video card or a super-expensive remote control, if nobody buys it it will never become cheap enough for the common person to afford.

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  20. If you're drooling over this remote... by pclminion · · Score: 3, Informative
    I see no reason I'd buy this thing for that much money when you can pick up a Kameleon at any Radio Shack for about $60. I don't see anything significant the Sony remote can do that this thing can't do, and the Kameleon remote just looks cool. The buttons are actually just images and the panel reconfigures itself for each device. Feels like Star Trek!

    However, if you're selecting remotes based on how many colors the display has and whether it runs Linux, I think you're beyond my help, though :-) Go ahead and spend your $700.