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How Much Are You Paying For Electronics Labels?
An anonymous reader writes "Interesting article on CNET about different consumer electronics brands selling identical OEM products, often at wildly different price points. The author also examines the phenomenon of manufacturers releasing "consumer" and "industrial" versions of the same product -- with the cheaper version aimed at businesses. Probably old news for the slashdot crowd, but it's worth reading to see how much Middle America is overpaying. Caveat emptor, indeed." And there are also product lines where the expensive version is aimed at business buyers, because a higher price implies greater credibility.
Old news indeed. I knew this to be the case in TVs when I worked for my father at his TV store in the 60s. It was especially prevalent in home stereo equipment in the 70s and 80s.
The major manufacturers create their own "competition" to flood the market with at the most popular price ranges, often selling under 4 or 5 labels simultaneously, and not all of them at the same price level, despite identical guts. Three major Japanese manufacturers accounted for 14 brands at a "super-store" I visited on a research jaunt, back when I sold the stuff.
Want an eye opener? Go find out who obtained the patents on VHS and Beta VCR systems. Not the current patent/license owners; the creator sold the license for one of them to a competitor, so that no matter which format "won" they'd still be making money.
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VCRs were one of the first I heard about to do this... one motherboard, vendors enable the features that they want for each model, depending on their marketing strategy.
The price difference might be caused by the different level of services attached to a product.
On the other hand, businesses are more likely to buy in bigger quantity, or at least buying more regularly.
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The poweredge 400sc is the same as their top of the line Dimension model bit in a less flashy case. The Poweredge in a minimum configuration costs about 349$ The Dimension you can't get for cheaper than about $1000. They do the same (or at least did) with their laptops. My Inspiron 4100 has been reflashed (by me) with the Latituce C610 bios so I can use the docking stations (with pci slots). Dells precision line is the same as well. Their precision notebooks are latitudes and inspirons but with a FireGL or Quadro card (which you can order separately from dell and stick in your laptop yourself) The desktop precision systems are the same as well. Just a Optiplex or Dimension with a good video card.
Wrong.
Sager resells Clevos, just like Alienware. Although, the latest Area-51m is a Uniwill I believe.
A friend of mine worked in a factory that made liquid soap. She ran a bottling machine. She said there would be batches of hundreds of bottles at a time. Each batch would have a different label, and would sell at a different price in the store. But they were filling them with the same slop from the same tank.
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about the same as those Nike trainers,starbucks coffee,Gap Shirt,Armani Trousers
its called branding, the selling of dreams
If you want to get even cheaper on managed switches, SMC gear is the exact same thing that Dell is selling at half the price.
You see Accton makes a ton of unmanaged and managed gear. They sell bigtime to the OEM market, and they also make most of Dell's stuff.
Who owns SMC? Accton.
Crack the cases and look at them side-by-side and it all becomes clear. Buy Dell and you pay twice as much for the same exact switch. Buy two for the same price as the Dell and you have support that even Dell can't beat - an always available spare!
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For example, the Panasonic 42" plasma had a "consumer" and an "industrial" version. However, the article pointed out that the industrial version was $350 lower than the consumer version while glossing over the fact that the industrial version lacked an HDTV tuner, and built-in speakers. Clearly, the addition of those items justifies some increase, and 2-400 is reasonable given the cost of HDTV tuners as separate components.
In addition, he neglected to mention the difference in warranty duration (and the difference in customer service you might expect between a "name" brand such as RCA and a "generic" such as Coby).
No, really! I'm one of the *good* lawyers!
In the 80's I worked in a commercial photo finishing lab -- the place your film gets processed when you drop it off at a grocery store.
They charged more to develop ISO 400 film than ISO 100 film. The explanation was that the customers thought that since ISO 400 film was more expensive, it would be harder or more costly to process it.
But the fact was that all C-41 films went through exactlythe same process. In fact, it costs less to process ISO 400, because more silver is recovered for recycling during the process.
So the conclusion is, they charge what people are willing to pay.
= Mazda = Volvo = Aston Martin = Jaguar
= Pontiac = Oldsmobile (dead now) = Cadillac = Saab
= Mitsubishi = Mercedes-Benz
= Chevy = GM (well, not quite -- Toyota rebrands the Cavalier in Japan, but otherwise there's little sharing between the two companies)
And this one is wrong. Volkswagen = Audi, but not Porsche. While it's true that Dr. Ferdinand Porsche started Volkswagen, and the Pieche and Porsche families have controlling interests in both the VAG (Volkswagen Automotive Group, including Audi, Bentley, and Lamborghini) and the PAG (Porsche Automotive Group, which is just Porsche), the Porsche car company is independently owned and is not part of Volkswagen. Parts and platforms are shared (the original 356 engine was a VW, as was the engine for the 914; the Boxster and 996 share relays and other mechanical parts with VW and Audi models; the Cayenne and the Touareg are built on the same platform; etc), but the companies are not the same. In all of your other examples, the companies are partially or fully owned.
And it's only getting smaller. Gone are the days of many different manufacturers (for example, the single company Audi, which is now only a part of a larger company, started life as four independent companies -- thus the four interlocked circles of the Audi badge), but even back in the early days of automotive development there was a lot of "cross-polination". For example, Dr. Ferdinand Porsche helped built a number of early cars long before he built the first Volkswagen (and even longer before the first 356). Among others, he did plenty of work for Mercedes-Benz and the German military (the Panzer Tiger was designed by Porsche). Porsche still does non-Porsche design work today, such as the engine on the Harley-Davidson V-Rod (this by the Porsche car company, and not the independent Porsche industrial design company).
That's not to say that the different badges don't bring something more to the table. I doubt you'd object that a Lexus ES500 is more luxurious than a corresponding Toyota Camry, or an Acura TSX compared to a Honda Acura. The platforms may be shared, but in many cases the "up-market" brand model will have a larger engine, better suspension (either tigher or softer, depending on the goal -- sports car or luxury car), fancier interiors (leather, woods, metals instead of plastics and vinyls), more options (navigation, sound options), etc. That's not always the case, since many Chevy and Pontiac cars are exact matches minus body cladding (Grand Prix and Monte Carlo, especially before the late-90s/early-00s body redesigns of the cars; Camaro and Firebird prior to the cancellation of the F-body line; Cavalier and Sunfire; etc), but Cadillac is GM's upscale brand, and it shows. The Cadillac CTS (not CTS-V) may be nearly identical to a Chevy Impala, but the CTS is going to be more luxuriously appointed. Perhaps not enough to justify the $10,000+ price difference, but enough to justify some increase in price.
Usually industrial parts are bin-sorted, because suppliers get it through the nose if their parts fail during a QA run (I've watched a Fortune 50 company refuse to do business with a chip house until they fixed some issues with one of their processes - Wal-Mart tactics get used all over). As a result, if the manufacturer can't guarantee the spec by design, they'll bin-sort.
On the other hand, at least for chips its unusual for there to be any difference between the parts other than the guaranteed temperature ranges (consumer is usually 0-70c, industrial is usually -40 to 125c, and military is usually -50 to 150c). Industrial parts come at a minor premium over consumer, while milspec parts come at a major premium over industrial.
So, to make it short - 90% of the time, ICs are bin-sorted and sold as binned. Every once in a while, you'll come across a consumer part that runs like an industrial, but its rare.
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This also applies to rebranded girlfriends. I have had more than a few, and have found that there are not too many manufacturers. What happens is the get built in groups at 3 factories in holland. The only thing they change is the trim level.
I tested out the slick trim package, but it lacked a little in performance (and was quite expensive to repair).
I then tested some budget models. Some performed well, but I was embarrased to be in them.
Finally, there was a brand called "Wife". The trim was pleasing, but not flashy. Fairly low maintenance costs (buying beats leasing, because of the higher milage). I only wish I could point you to a dealer that carries them. Unfortunately, they go out of business as soon as the first deal in done. Sometimes they open up shop again, but who wants a used one?