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SCO Playing Name Games

Ghost in the Shell Game writes "We've long known that SCO has had a twisted view of UNIX history, sometimes pretending to be oldSCO when it suits them, and a separate business entity when it does not. However, according to this piece on Groklaw, they're now registering the UNIX System Laboratories trademark in what looks like an attempt to confuse history further. If you're wondering how they can do this, the USL trademark was abandoned in 1993, when USL was bought out by Novell. Hopefully, no one will be fooled by this name game, any more than we were when the spyware maker Gator changed their name to Claria."

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  1. Re:Obsolete names for sale! by swschrad · · Score: 2, Interesting

    is Whirlwind still availiable? good name for a game console, don't you think?

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  2. cigs? by mutewinter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How about Philip Morris changing its name to Altria, and then running "cigs are bad" ads using the name Philip Morris?

  3. It's so obvious... by halivar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's a blatant attempt to prepare for reopening the BSD settlement. Just before their IBM/Novel souts fold, they will announce ownership of BSD and all BSD-related code (TCP/IP stack, anyone?).

    Won't matter, though; stock has lost its $5 support, and it's only a matter of time before the shutters close on them.

    1. Re:It's so obvious... by halivar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I had not noticed the stock spike. That's bad news; they seem to be able to claw their way out of any hole. Fortunately, they didn't break $5, and that's a significant morale defeat for any bagholders. It's also a sign that investors are not hopeful.

    2. Re:It's so obvious... by Maestro4k · · Score: 4, Interesting
      • It's a blatant attempt to prepare for reopening the BSD settlement. Just before their IBM/Novel souts fold, they will announce ownership of BSD and all BSD-related code (TCP/IP stack, anyone?).
      Sadly while in more sane times your statement would sound more like paranoia I'm afraid that you're probably dead on the money. They seem quite intent on claiming ownership to anything and everything they can and litigating it to death.
      • Won't matter, though; stock has lost its $5 support, and it's only a matter of time before the shutters close on them.
      Cringely predicted that SCO would collapse mid-year saying that this whole mess has been nothing but a scam to prop up the stock prices up. Unfortunately he predicts that we'll see more of this type of thing in the future. I suspect he's also correct.
    3. Re:It's so obvious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Then again, if people are willing to believe Michael Moore, half the population cannot be reasoned with.

      That's precisely true. I suspect you were trying to bash Moore, but what you're saying is that, according to Moore, half the population can't be reasoned with. I agree: it's the half who are willing to believe Rush Limbaugh.

    4. Re:It's so obvious... by tijnbraun · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I read the link... Cringely seems to be correct on many things.
      But how about this one:

      "5) The SCO debacle has created a crisis within the Linux community. They pretend that it hasn't, but it has. This will come to a head in 2004 with either the development of a new organizational structure for Linux or the start of its demise. Linux has to grow or die, and the direction it takes will be determined in 2004."

      I'm not really into these things, but are there really any signs that the "organizational structure for Linux" is changing in because of the "SCO debacle"? Sofar as I know nothing really changed, or am I mistaken?

      furthermore aren't prediction 5 and 6 a bit contradictory.
      Cingely says (prediction 6): "This was never more than a stock scam"...
      If so than why the "or the start of its demise"?

    5. Re:It's so obvious... by ksp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think they may stay away from TCP/IP, after all it's in M$. They can't afford to go at M$ now. If they sabotage TCP/IP the entire world will just sink them quickly - perhaps even finally someone will buy them just to make them shut up.

      Another issue... Isn't iBCS related to .Net? And didn't OldSCO pick up the remains of iBCS? As you understand, I have only vague recollections about this but I recall some sort of trace iBCS -> SCO -> .Net...?

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  4. Slashlink on Claria/ Gator by H8X55 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Claria Explains It All.

    Somehow missed that one, myself (posted on a Saturday - that's why). I was wondering why I hadn't seen gator around much on the office ad-aware scans. Now claria, that's a name i've been seeing. don't think i like it any more.

    SCO is just coming to terms with exactly how much they are hated and trying to change horses in mid-stream. But it won't work. Subpeanas are still PITAs and it doesn't matter whose name is on the letterhead of the C&D.

  5. Counter-action by tverbeek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The best way to derail SCO's attempt to register "Unix System Laboratories" (a trademark they're not currently using) would be for someone to demonstrate that they're already using that mark in trade. Of course X/Open, the owners of the UNIX® trademark, also ought to have something to say about it.

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  6. Why back SCO? by myte · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How long is it going to be before the SCO backers lose interest and drop them? All they have been doing lately is pumping out lawsuits in hopes that they'll win. They haven't produced anything of worth to the world lately. Dump them. It's pointless for SCO to continue. So, why back a pointless corporation?

    1. Re:Why back SCO? by neurojab · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >So, why back a pointless corporation?

      Most of the backers are hedge funds.
      A hedge fund, being defined by extremely risky investments, can afford to buy a few lottery tickets.

  7. Re:SCO SCO SCOX.. by Lispy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As Nassim Taleb points out in his great book "Fooled by radnomness" most of shortterm market movement is nothing but noise. Dont make the mistake and take it serioulsy.

  8. this kills me by ch-chuck · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here SCO attacks open source as dangerously liable to include proprietary code, yet here they are with just about every new improvement to their product IS an open source project! Lets see, it now comes with:

    * Mozilla Web browser 1.6 adds new features including tabbed browsing, pop-up blocking, and PDF support
    * Squid Web Proxy Cache 2.5STABLE5 with expanded authentication schemes, optimizes searching, SSL gatewaying, and more
    * Perl 5.8.4
    * Apache HTTP Server 1.3.31
    * OpenSSH 3.8p1
    * BIND 8.4.4

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  9. Packard Bell. by Jaywalk · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Packard Bell did this. The original Packard Bell made television sets back in the 50s. When a computer entrepreneur wanted to start up in the mid-70s, he bought the name. It gave his computers instant respectability with those who remembered the old Packard Bell and it didn't hurt that the name also sounded like a cross between Hewlett Packard and Bell Telephone.

    I suspect SCO (originally Caldera) wants to find a new name since they've destroyed any vestiges of goodwill attached to the name SCO. They'll probably wait until after the lawsuits, quietly change names and then seek a buyer for whatever is left of their business. They might even bring in new management chosen especially for their ability to convincingly express dismay with the sins of their predecessors.

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  10. Selling their Unix business? by rumblin'rabbit · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I know a lot of /.'s will read in all sorts of nefarious motives in this latest move. It could be, however, that SCO is just looking towards the day when they sell there Unix business. After all, they are not going to attract new clients while it's owned by SCO (small PR problem). The business is worth more if it were owned by someone else.

    In preparation for selling they might want to rebrand their Unix business from "SCO UnixWare" to something without the SCO name. "Unix Systems Laboratories" would do just fine.

  11. Re:You can't sue us, IBM... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    With enough legal weaseling, I can think of several ways that it could be.

    I.e. spin off a unrelated company, owned by Darl McBride's Henchman.

    Sell off all of SCO's IP for a pittance - say, $1.

    Bring up that McBride and the SCO stock owners coincidentally own the -exact- amount of stock in the new company as they did in SCO.

    Voila! ...And for gods sakes, someone point out to me why this would not be legal. I don't want to give McBride and co. an idea.

  12. What About The Open Group? by Onimaru · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From The Open Group's Website:

    SCO is licensed to use the registered trademark UNIX "on and in connection" with their products that have been certified by The Open Group, as are all other licensees.
    These are the ONLY circumstances in which a licensee may use the trademark UNIX on and in connection with it's products.

    This seems like a pretty blatant abuse of a trademark owned by someone else. I'm guessing that if they ever made good on their "intent to use" this designation they would be served by TOG in about 15 minutes, backed by the $5 PayPal donations of every geek on the planet Earth.

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  13. my favorite name change by benedict · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Philip Morris -> Altria

    We're all supposed to think "altruism" and forget about their habit of peddling cancer sticks to young people.

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  14. Corporate name-changes by Pendersempai · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is there any reason at all to allow corporations to change their names?

    We have a whole body of law -- trademark law -- to prevent companies from confusing customers by imitating other companies. Why do we allow them to confuse customers by pretending not to be themselves?

    In recent memory, I can think of this one, the Gator to Claria switch, and Phillip Morris to Altria Group switch. Every one of them is a blatant attempt to shed bad PR and start fresh. But they EARNED the bad PR! Why can they legally drop a PR debt more easily than they can drop a financial debt?

    At the very least, why doesn't the FTC review all name changes and reject ones that appear to be motivated by negative PR?

  15. Where Is The Cash for the Fight Ahead??? by Vexler · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Someone earlier on another thread suggested that this move might be a prelude to their bringing the war to the BSDs (Free, Net, and Open). If Baystar manages to wring their $20 million out of SCO, then it's hard to see how SCO is going to get the cash they need to continue the fight. They may be able to re-register USL, but won't be able to do much with it. Any judge worth his/her salt is going to see that this is a different USL that had nothing to do with the old USL. All of this is of course *before* IBM (and anyone else interested) turns around and incinerates them in countersuits.