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Microsoft Wants More Credit for Inventions

theodp writes "Bill Gates said Thursday that Microsoft expects to file 3,000 patent applications this year, up from a little over 2,000 last year and 1,000 just a few years ago. 'We think--patent for patent--what we are doing is, if anything, more important than what others are doing,' said Gates, perhaps referring to 'Organizing and displaying photographs based on time,' which the USPTO published just hours before Gates spoke."

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  1. Photoshop Album? by flimnap · · Score: 5, Informative

    Is it just me, or is the display of photos by time on a calendar exactly what Photoshop Album 1 did?

    Hurrah for innovation!

  2. It's hard to swallow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Microsoft really wouldn't be where it is today if software patents existed back when they started.

    http://lpf.ai.mit.edu/Patents/knuth-to-pto.txt

    They should have a little more respect for the name of Technology.

  3. Re:Photo Patent by darkewolf · · Score: 2, Informative

    Of course, upon reading the patent (gods they are boring to read) it says that the sorting is based on the following potential factors:

    • A image date stored in the image (unsure if jpeg does this now) as meta data
    • Extracting the date from an image (using a OCR type arrangement for those cameras that data stamp the visual part of the file)

    So technically, they have a valid patent. Unless of course the meta data already exists in common file formats to allow date information to be extracted.

    Sorting by system create/modify dates isn't really valid in this case. If, say, you cropped an image, maybe added a border, then the image either has a new modify date or a new create date (saved as another image). But assuming the meta-date is preserved it would work. Hmmmms.

    Damnit, I also sounded pro-MS there. Still it is a cool idea, and better than their apple.

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    Nimheil
  4. Re:Another blessing of offshore labor. by ravenwing_np · · Score: 2, Informative

    Microsoft Research China is where almost all of MSFT's multimedia researchers live. When competing in NIST's Video TREC, MSR China are the people who go. Granted, all the cool stuff comes from either IBM (New York), Berkerley, or CMU.

  5. Re:Photo Patent by jallen02 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Check out ExIf data. Digital Cameras have been storing tons of meta data for years. Shutter Speed, Lens Speed, tons of other little things.... including date/time.

    Jeremy

  6. The title is misleading. by Transcendent · · Score: 2, Informative

    Although I don't endorse patent whording done by microsoft, the title for the patent is grosely misleading. It makes it sound like Microsoft just patented all motion pictures... but not quite.

    The patent application states:

    "For instance, the technique determines whether the time information is digitally encoded in the image file, or whether it is embedded within the image data itself. The technique next includes extracting the time information from the photograph image file using a technique appropriate to the identified manner in which the time information is stored, to produce extracted time information."

    Simply put, the pictures are organized and displayed in a manner according to data embedded in the image file itself... which is halfway innovative.

    Although pretty basic and easy to do on your own, it, I assume, can warrant a patent.

    1. Re:The title is misleading. by ewhac · · Score: 3, Informative
      Simply put, the pictures are organized and displayed in a manner according to data embedded in the image file itself... which is halfway innovative.

      No, it's not. They're simply scanning the EXIF headers (that is, after all, one of the things EXIF headers are for), and sorting on one of the fields in the header. There are about forty fields in an EXIF header; I suppose they're applying for forty more patents, one each for sorting on each field.

      That's Microsoft "innovation" for you.

      Schwab

    2. Re:The title is misleading. by Rewd · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is already done EXACTLY as the patent describes in ACDsee. Check out their calendar browser.

      http://www.acdsystems.com/English/index.htm

  7. Re:Photo Patent by Huogo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Almost all digital camera store EXIF metadata in their jpegs, which contains, among other things, the date the picture was taken. It also contains things such as shutter speed, apature, and whether or not the flash was used. The full spec is available on exif.org here

  8. Re:patently obvious by Wolfbone · · Score: 3, Informative
    "I'd be curious if anyone can suggest a good rule for eliminating obvious patents."

    It's very simple: 'Software' ideas should never have been made patentable in the first place. Look at the monitor in front of you and ask yourself this: "Is this a general purpose electronic computer I see before me or is it just another consumer appliance?" Are you free to use it as the invention it was originally intended to be or have large corporations now almost managed to metamorphose it into just another consumer appliance - a box into which you may plug only the software products that they deign to supply? Are you free to programme it as it was meant to be programmed or are there daily more and more restrictions on what code you can type in? Is this an acceptable state of affairs - do novelists and musicians have to put up with this kind of 'ownership' of the ideas of their crafts? Could 'inventions' like this one and many others like it only have been made by expert software designers or could a child have done it - or a law firm? And don't even think about the usual: "Well there are some clever mathematical algorithms that deserve to be patentable" - no there are not, they are mathematical ideas and belong to mathematics, which in turn belongs to us all. How many times need it be repeated that software is properly and appropriately a copyright protectable area of endeavour?

  9. Re:And the best part of the article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    gaul = the area now known as France; a person therefrom.

    Gall = temerity, boldness; a type of bile.

  10. Silly Patent by Bruha · · Score: 3, Informative

    I believe there's already prior art with digital encoding of information within a image. It's been done.

  11. Re:Photo Patent by ViGe · · Score: 2, Informative

    Almost all digital camera store EXIF metadata in their jpegs, which contains, among other things, the date the picture was taken. It also contains things such as shutter speed, apature, and whether or not the flash was used. The full spec is available on exif.org here

    And from the patent claims:

    6. A method according to claim 5, wherein the digitally-encoded time information comprises information recorded according to an EXIF standard.

    I suppose this basically means that all our base are now belong to Microsoft.

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