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Squeezing Coal To Reduce Emissions

sbszine writes "Australian newspaper The Age has an interesting story on squeezing coal before burning it in order to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. The process, discovered by Victorian scientists, is expected to make brown coal (lignite) burn 30% cleaner. Good news, as Australia is the world's number one exporter of coal."

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  1. bring on the science!! by p4ul13 · · Score: 3, Funny
    If Superman III has taught us anything, it is that heating and squeezing coal does not lead to a cleaner burn, it leads to really big diamonds.

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    1. Re:bring on the science!! by p4ul13 · · Score: 2, Funny
      No No No.

      I'm saying we need to hire Superman. Sheesh, pay attention everybody!

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  2. Victorian scientists... my goodness by ssclift · · Score: 4, Funny

    I know Slashdot posts the occasional late story, but this is over 100 years old... that must be a record.

    :-)

  3. Huh-huh-huh, You said "Squeeze" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Squeezing can only hold back your emissions for so long.

  4. It makes perfect sense... by ResidntGeek · · Score: 5, Informative

    Anthracite, the cleanest-burning coal, is also called hard coal because it's the densest variety and it contains the least moisture. Lignite, the type they squeezed, is the crappiest kind of coal. It is almost half water and is quite light. How many brilliant people did it take to think "maybe if we make lignite denser and take the water out, it'll burn more cleanly!"???

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    1. Re:It makes perfect sense... by GigsVT · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Burning stuff doesn't usually produce nasty stuff... as long as your burn it completely. Most of the problems result when you burn something and it doesn't burn well. Partial combustion is a big cause of a lot of emissions.

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  5. Question by jarran · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Who, exactly is touting this as good? If you believe in man made climate change, 30% less damaging than coal just isn't good enough. We need to be moving away from fossil fuels, not finding marginally less damaging ways to burn them.

    And if you don't believe in mad made climate change, why bother? It's going to be less efficient, and therefore will create even more nasty emissions other than CO2, which isn't the only pollutant released by coal burning.

    (No, I haven't RTFA, as it requires registration.)

    1. Re:Question by dpilot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because we're not going to replace our power infrastructure overnight. Unfortunately we're doing very little to move off of fossil fuels at all. But even when we get off the mark, it's going to be a lengthy process, not an overnight conversion. Cleaning up legacy powerplants is a good thing, even if it isn't the final goal.

      I wonder how much it would cost to migrate off of fossil fuels. Last year we spend $8.5e9 on the Iraq war, during a relatively slack economy with a huge deficit, and barely batted an eyelash. (and the job/cost isn't done, yet.) I doubt that amount of money would do the job, but it would sure make a dent in it, or at least in moving off of mideast oil and cleaning things up.

      This needs to be a National Priority. If not for the cleanup, at least moving enough off of mideast oil to reduce/eliminate our dependence. The other night, NPR/Marketplace had an article on the stability of regional players. Our addiction to fossil fuels (gasoline in particular) has blinded us to the risks of our dependence on mideast sources.

      (I saw a link that let my bypass registration, though it informed me that, "I need to register soon.")

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    2. Re:Question by be951 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Who, exactly is touting this as good? If you believe in man made climate change, 30% less damaging than coal just isn't good enough. We need to be moving away from fossil fuels, not finding marginally less damaging ways to burn them.

      First, you don't need to believe in man made climate change to consider less pollution "good". Also, I agree that we should be moving to non-polluting (or as nearly as possible) energy sources, but that isn't going to happen until clean energy sources are reasonably cost competitive on a scale that allows similar capacity. So realistically the two options are: keep burning coal the old way until alternatives are adopted; or burn significantly cleaner until alternatives are adopted.

    3. Re:Question by nelsonal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My favorite quote of all time comes from the economist, "the entire western economy is a call option on the house of Saud." If that isn't a scary thought I don't know what is. There was an excellent article on Slate the other day that put this same idea in quite a few more words (summary that Osama wants the oil under Saudi Arabia and Iraq, and the regime we have been supporting for the better part of 50 years is currently tottering).
      Unfortunately I know of nothing with the energy density of fossil fuels. Find something that approaches the production cost and energy density of fossil fuels and you will be richer than Bill Gates.

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    4. Re:Question by Red+Rocket · · Score: 2, Insightful


      Also, I agree that we should be moving to non-polluting (or as nearly as possible) energy sources, but that isn't going to happen until clean energy sources are reasonably cost competitive on a scale that allows similar capacity.

      And clean energy sources aren't going to be cost competitive until dirty energy sources include all the costs of their product into the price of the product. As it is now, they export those costs onto the public at large making them seem cheaper than they actually are. Atmospheric composition changes, acid rain, mercury, mountaintop removal, one thousand miles of streams buried in Appalachia; these are all costs that are exported onto the people rather than included in the price of coal. So who is not being real here?

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    5. Re:Question by frankie · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I believe ALL of us have underestimated what the War on Terror really is. [...] it's really the concept of Western Civilization vs Tribalism.

      Speak for yourself. Lots of us have known this for years.

      Of course, the jihadists probably wouldn't be jihading if we weren't so dependent on fossil fuels. We wouldn't be impinging on their turf, and they wouldn't have the cash to buy weapons.
    6. Re:Question by scorp1us · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I completely agree with you.

      Why is ti so hard to make artificial plants, and not the plastic kind?

      A plant consumes CO2, produces O2 and converts sunlight to energy. Why can't we do all that, but change the chemical to eletrical energy?

      That way the moer enery we make, the more we clean out the greenhouse gasses. And I'm sure we could scale it down to household size and let the general public both supplement their power usage and help clean the atmosphere at the same time.

      Seems like a win-win to me.

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  6. My question.... by theslashdude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...is how much energy does it take to squeeze the coal? Because if they end up having to burn 30% more coal to generate the additional energy needed to squeeze the coal, then it's not much of a gain.

  7. FYI: Reg free links by 2TecTom · · Score: 3, Informative
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  8. Re:stop-gap by be951 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    And the only choice which is ready *today* is nuclear...

    The only barrier to more widespread adoption of solar is the cost.

    But if we go full-speed immediately to develop enough nuclear capacity to COMPLETELY eliminate our dependence on petro sources which are actually or potentially volatile or unreliable -- e.g., the Middle East...

    I doubt it would help much, because we don't use a lot of oil (relatively speaking) for electic generation. Coal is the big player there. Most of our oil consumption is for transportation -- something for which both nuclear and solar are poorly suited.

    the fact is, the fanatical Islamics wouldn't care enough to leave their region to bother us, if we were COMPLETELY disengaged from their part of the world -- which we COULD be, if not for our petro-addiction.

    I could be mistaken, but I thought the big issue most Islamic extremists hate us for (or at least cite most often) is our support of Isreal.

  9. Look at the energy balance by Engineer-Poet · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Removing the moisture from lignite removes a lot of inert (non-combustible) material from the fuel. This is matter that you'd have to heat up in the process of combustion, reducing your gas temperature and cutting the amount of heat you can recover from the gas (you can't get useful energy from condensing the water, it condenses at a far lower temperature than you need to generate steam).

    This doesn't reduce the carbon emissions per unit of carbon, but it does increase the recoverable energy per unit of carbon. Greater efficiency means less fuel has to be burned for a given amount of output. This reduces net CO2 emissions.

    1. Re:Look at the energy balance by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What if instead we ground it up, heated it to 101C, cooled it down, then fed the powder to the furnace- wouldn't the extra surface area both enable more mostiure to leave AND insure a more complete burn?

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    2. Re:Look at the energy balance by GodsMadClown · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Grind the coal up? Been there, done that...

      I used to be a lab monkey at a coal-fired power plant in Baltimore.

      They pulverized the coal before feeding the furnace, both for ease of handling and for more complete combustion. We used to run tests on the lubrication of the pulverizer units. You think the oil in your '88 Olds gets dirty? Try using it to lubiricate a coal pulverizer.

  10. Re:Energy density of fossil fuels by shthd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The entire process as a whole needs to be taken into account to determine whether a energy source is clean and or effecient. How much energy does it require to obtain it, refine it, ship it can be just as important as how clean it is when you burn it. Damn straight hydrogen is clean when you burn it. But how much crap did you dump into the atmosphere when you processed it?

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  11. Keep looking by Engineer-Poet · · Score: 3, Insightful
    What if instead we ground it up, heated it to 101C, cooled it down, then fed the powder to the furnace- wouldn't the extra surface area both enable more mostiure to leave AND insure a more complete burn?
    As the previous respondent mentioned, most coal plants already use pulverized coal (look up "gravimetric feeders" to see what he's talking about).

    Why you don't want to heat the coal: The goal of the exercise is to not waste the energy required to evaporate the moisture. If pressing removes water with less energy expenditure than heating, that's a more efficient way to do it. (If the coal can be dried with the heat from nearly-spent steam, maybe that's better - but it would take lab work to tell which method is superior, and plenty of engineering to make a machine which can uniformly heat a fine powder and then transfer it to the boiler.)