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Recording Industry Hoist By Their Own Petard
An anonymous reader writes "As reported by MSNBC, the recording industry has been unable to offer combination DVD / CD discs to consumers because of the IP ownership questions as well as licensing issues between CD and DVD content. All I can say is it couldn't happen to a nicer bunch!"
DVD Plus and DualDisc are based on the same concept--hybrid discs with a DVD on one side and a CD on the other--and Warner sold its patent on the technology to Dierks, though the label retained the license to manufacture products under the Warner name.
...except not. Now this interesting technology is tied up in patent and copyright fights.
It is simple enough. DVD on one side; CD on the other. Everybody is happy...
And we'll probably never see it.
Davak
Could someone please explain how this is bad for RIAA/MPAA? this just means that i now have to buy two disks-the cd and the dvd. or, they could package it as a two disk set like most special edition dvds that you see. really, i dont think it means much, especially to the /. crowd
Warner has released DualDisc albums by R.E.M., P.O.D., Barenaked Ladies, Donald Fagen, and Linkin Park. The CD side of the disc contains standard two-channel, 16-bit/44.1kHz audio, while the DVD side features a high-resolution, 5.1-channel mix of the album. BMG, on the other hand, has music videos on the DVD side of its Usher release. Sony has released DualDiscs by AC/DC, Audioslave, David Bowie, and Good Charlotte. RCA has issued an EP-length DualDisc by the Calling.
Sounds like tons of people are using it to me!
My belief is that record companies are looking for new high-bandwidth ways to sell media. Sure anybody can listen to the song from mp3 or the radio... but it's much nicer to have the video and additional content right in front of you.
Davak
>So there you have it, each side of the disc is either the DVD or the CD.
Now that is interesting. I had always been under the impression that the thickness of the polycarbonate on a CD prevented a CD/DVD sandwich.
I guess you learn something new everyday!
If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
Well, they manage it with SACD, they've tried true DVD-A hybrids but it wasn't 100% in terms of compatability, it probably wasn't 50% in actuality :)
of course it's not stupid.
1 scratch, you have to buy the whole thing again.
and no matter what side it lands, there's data to be scratched.
muhahahahahhahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa
1. change probabilities in your favour
2. wait for a large sample of events
3. profit!!!
Philips Electronics, the licensor of the CD logo, has refused to allow the hybrid discs to be sold with the CD logo unless the labels guarantee to assume responsibility for "read errors" on the CD side, a spokeswoman for Philips said.
My personal RIAA boycott has been ongoing for some time now, but the last few CDs that I did buy did not have the CD logo on them, nor do the discs in my wife's (who has not yet seen fit to join the boycott) collection. It seems to me that the big labels have been eschewing the official CD logo for some time now--so the lack of 'official licensing' for DualDisc shouldn't actually be a factor for its acceptance, at least from the CD side.
Yes this may be an example of poetic justice, but as is usual, we, the consumers, lose. They may not get to sell this product, but as a direct consequence of that, we do not get the opportunity to buy it.
Maybe this is very uninformed but it seems to me most players, except some slot-loading ones, could accomodate a 1mm thicker disc without problems at all.
.2mm or something? It happened only with a couple of brands, so I guess not all CD-R's are the same thickness.
My slot-loading Sony car stereo (quite old)had problems ejecting burnt CDs with a printed label sticker. And that's how thick?
Would a real DVD layer work on a player that could support both? IFAIK DVD & CD players currently see the CD layer then ignore the DVD^H^H^SACD layer. I don't know if this is due to the SACD layer being ignored when the player detects the CD layer first or that the DVD layer is not detect as a DVD video layer first. But if the SACD layer was a valid DVD layer would DVD players pick it up? My guess the patents/licensing for this type of disk prevents use or most current hardware would not work without a firmware change.
Oh. I forgot we're talking about the USPTO here. They'll grant a patent on a patently absurd application.
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tell it to the bard:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=petard
Word History: The French used pétard, "a loud discharge of intestinal gas," for a kind of infernal engine for blasting through the gates of a city. "To be hoist by one's own petard," a now proverbial phrase apparently originating with Shakespeare's Hamlet (around 1604) not long after the word entered English (around 1598), means "to blow oneself up with one's own bomb, be undone by one's own devices." The French noun pet, "fart," developed regularly from the Latin noun pditum, from the Indo-European root *pezd-, "fart."/i
There is much cruelty in the universe, John.
Yeah, we seem to have the tour map.
...across the TOC. Oh, well. (-:
Most of the CDs you buy aren't anywhere near full, either. Rip and re-burn one, then hold the clone up to the light and see. Unless it's got extra digital content, the commercial CDs are rarely more than 1/3-1/2 full.
For example "Thick as a Brick" - the full version - is a 43-minute song. Yes, one song. That's the entire album, on an 80-minute medium.
You should be able to get over 4000 typical high-bitrate Ogg tracks onto a dual-layer DVD. You could probably fit the entire music industry into a carryall.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
Yes, but are you aware of the origins of the term petard?
:)
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Check out this post by Fishstick earlier in the thread
I always thought it just meant explosive. Kinda strange to see it meant heavy flatulence (and the French still use pet for fart)
"but retailer Harrington said there were no issues. "We got a couple of emails, but nobody came back to us with them," he said."
Let me get this straight... If I cimplain by email to a company instead of returning the defective product or complaining in person, that translates to NO PROBLEMS?