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Clear Solar Panels Double As Projection Screens

EnergyEfficient writes "Metropolis Magazine has an article about a company that is producing transparent solar panels. The panels 'can generate 3.8 watts of electricity per square foot, an above-average level of efficiency.' They come in a thick version that can be used for glazing buildings. Imagine if all those glass skyscrapers could also produce power! As an interesting aside, they can also be used as screens for projection TV units."

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  1. How much power would that be? And at what cost? by Jack_Frost · · Score: 4, Informative

    Let's take a super-skyscraper, assuming a 200' square base that's as high as the Sears tower (roughly 1450' to the roof top). Assuming the building maintains its rectangular cross section from the ground to the top gives us an area of 1.16 million square feet which would generate ~4.4 megwatts of electricity, which is a lot of electricity.

    The article calls out a price of $45 per square foot, making the solar panels for such a building cost about $52 million dollars. Surprisingly cheap for that much electrical capacity, though the usage factor would be pretty low, what with it being dark at night and all.

  2. Ummm... by Linguica · · Score: 4, Informative

    "producing transparent solar panels."

    "As an external glaze, PV-TV allows up to 10% visible light to be transmitted through the panel."

    transparent Audio pronunciation of "transparent" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (trns-pârnt, -pr-)
    adj.

    1. Capable of transmitting light so that objects or images can be seen as if there were no intervening material. See Synonyms at clear.

  3. Re:Cool! by NanoGator · · Score: 5, Informative

    " Wait, how much do the super-efficient panels cost? Oops..."

    A.) Prices will go down if these things take off.

    B.) Think of how much cheaper the electric bill will be. (Also consider how much more regular it has the potential to be.)

    C.) Imagine if an ill-timed power outage wouldn't necessarily mean the building was affected.

    I imagine once somebody sits down with a calculator and thinks out 5 to 10 years, the cost will end up being quite competitive AND they get bonus features to boot.

    Just because something starts out at a high price doesn't always mean the value's not there, or that the price will always stay that way. The main reason I'm replying is not so much because of your particular comment, but because I've seen a great deal of sticker-shock on Slashdot without understanding some of these basic things about how technology economics works.

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  4. Re:How much does it cost by bear_phillips · · Score: 4, Informative
    Either you are misinformed or you just like to spread FUD. According to the Department of Energy Studies have shown that, depending on the type of PV technology, the clean energy payback of a PV system ranges from one to four years.

    As for ethanol, I will raise you Cornell study with this one from the USDA which seems to say that ethanol is energy positive.

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  5. Re:How much does it cost by Jeremi · · Score: 4, Informative
    If solar panels could have a lifetime of about 20-30 years of use (right now you'd
    be lucky to get the things to last 5 years without breaking), then that momentary expenditure of oil will more than pay for itself.


    Um, solar panels do in fact last that 20-30 years.

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  6. Mega-whats? by KFury · · Score: 4, Informative

    The article states that the factory where the glass is made is also the largest user of the glass:

    The factory is now the world's largest single PV module plant, producing 100 megawatts of energy annually.

    A megawatt isn't a unit of energy, it's a rate of transfer. Do they mean that it produces a continuous flow of 100 megawatts? If so, they would have to have 604 acres of glass (2.4 million of their 1m^2 panels). Of course you need to double that number because they're only collecting power half the day (generously assuming they're at peak output during all daylight hours)

    On the other hand, if they're talking about generating 100 megawatt hours over the course of a year, then the plant is generating about 11,000 watts, or enough for about 10 average homes. By those numbers they'd have about 600 panels. That's a lot more reasonable.

  7. Above average? by certsoft · · Score: 4, Informative
    3.8 watts of electricity per square foot, an above-average level of efficiency

    My Kyocera KC120 panels produce 12 watts per square foot, 3.8 doesn't sound above average to me.

  8. Something is bogus by laing · · Score: 4, Informative

    3.8 Watts per square foot is a joke. Your average silicon panel (~10% conversion efficiency) is 4 times more efficient. Triple junction panels are 3 times better than that.

    http://jsl.com/solar

  9. Re:Wonder if they are more efficient... by MrChuck · · Score: 4, Informative
    They say "PV-TV can generate 3.8 watts of electricity per square foot, an above-average level of efficiency"

    I gotta look at my 165 W sharps which are about 8sq feet and wonder at that. But my panels are not clear. Which is a plus as the also shade the roof and make that part of the house cooler. (if only they had 1/2" pipes wired under them so I could water cool them and run the warmed water into a tank).

    And yes, the windows are mounted vertically. In math, that's at 90 degrees.

    The ideal mounting angle is your latitude (eg the Bay Area and DC are around 37 degrees).

    So these will be most efficient at Sunrise/Sunset. When the sun is at its weakest (lots of atmosphere to get through).

    On the other hand, if they are good projection screens, you aim your projector at it, that causes it to generate power which you can use to plug the projector into!! Perpetual energy!!!
    or something.

    Bottom line:
    If they work and don't cost a lot more than regular windows (such that in 10 years they save more in power costs than they cost), then great!

    If every house with a decent roof exposure between 10 and 3 has even 4 solar panels on and generated even 20% of their own power, and there was enough to knock 5% of power use down in our country (world?), then it's a win.

    There's no need to "go off grid" and raise your own goats for food and knit you're own underwear to use solar.

    (Now, if you switch from CRT to LCD, you save having to buy $500 of solar panels...)