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1 Amateur Rocket Crashes, Another Explodes

prostoalex writes "A 23-foot-long space rocket carrying 3 dummies exploded in the Pacific Northwest after reaching about 200 feet. The team was competing for Ansari X Prize, offering $10 million to the team that successfully completes a low-budget private space rocket capable of carrying men into space. Google News offers more perspectives into the event, the team is saying the rocket, whose parachute malfunctioned, would have to be rebuilt." And AmiNTT writes "Everygeek's favorite rocketeers over at Armadillo Aerospace have suffered a fairly serious setback over the weekend - the crash of their 48-inch vehicle link in a test hop at their 100 acre test field. Of course there is video and pictures - 2 3... This setback should keep them from flying for about five weeks, but will give them a chance to make some design changes. I'm sure they will be back better than ever. (Armadillo have shown up on Slashdot many times in the past.)"

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  1. poor dummies by metalac · · Score: 5, Funny

    It seems that nobody pays any attention to the dummies, they are the real victims here, but nobody cares.

    What kind of world are we living? I say it's end of the world when we stop carying for dummies.

    1. Re:poor dummies by Anoraknid+the+Sartor · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't worry, there will still be enough around for you all to vote for come November....

      --
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    2. Re:poor dummies by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Informative

      These people can't fly their ships without proper FAA (or local equivalent) approval. If the FAA doesn't think it's safe, it doesn't fly. That's why Armadillo is so far behind. The FAA wasn't pleased with their "crush-cone" design, forcing them to reengineer for a powered landing.

  2. Eventually they'll change their name... by omegacentrix · · Score: 5, Funny

    to the Union Aerospace Corporation...

  3. "The Right Stuff", part 2? by oostevo · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Did anybody else look at that video and immediately remember the montage sequence from The Right Stuff with archival footage of NASA's rockets blowing up?

    That didn't set them back, and somehow I don't think this will set back these private experimenters either.

    --
    In soviet russia, You ask not what country do for you, but what you do for country!
    Oh wait...
    1. Re:"The Right Stuff", part 2? by mcrbids · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Did anybody else look at that video and immediately remember the montage sequence from The Right Stuff with archival footage of NASA's rockets blowing up?

      Wow... am I with you on this one. Remember people... these are ENGINEERS. They are developing something new...

      Compare this engineering to software engineering.

      1) A software engineer comes up with an idea.

      2) A programmer writes a test case of the idea. Often, the programmer is the engineer in step 1.

      3) Software is run. Program crashes, bombs, but does something resembling the goals in step 1.

      4) Bugs are found, worked out, kinked, etc.

      Repeat steps 3 and 4 until the program works as it should....

      The ONLY difference between this and aeronautics is that when it crashes, you have to rebuild the rocket. (You have to rebuild the software, too, but that's assumed, automatic and usually done in 10 seconds)

      So, I really don't get why the disconnect. It's engineering! Products are seldom viable in the first design attempt, but a basically workable design is tweaked until it's ready.

      No different here.

      --
      I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
    2. Re:"The Right Stuff", part 2? by Syre · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm concerned about Brian Feeney and his da Vinci Project. Apparently they may be planning to launch with no test flights in order to hit the deadline for the X Prize.

      This is extremely risky, and perhaps suicidal. Rockets do, as we've seen, notoriously tend to blow up and otherwise malfunction in their initial testing.

      NASA got it right because they tested over and over again and had a big budget to do so.

      With the deadline fast approaching, it seems that some teams, like Feeney's, will be tempted to cut corners in order to have a chance of winning the X Prize.

      Cutting corners and sticking to a timetable is what caused the Challenger disaster. I hope we don't see other lives lost as a result of this X Prize deadline.

  4. FORTUNATELY FOR US... by ferrellcat · · Score: 5, Funny

    Fortunately for us, the three dummies were Bush, Rumsfeld and Ashcroft.

  5. Quote from the log: "Good thing Doom 3 is selling" by TigerNut · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The setback isn't too serious in terms of money, but you can't easily recover the five weeks required to replace the long-lead items. But, as already surmised, the experience of building the first 48" vehicle will have been invaluable and I'm sure they'll find (or commit to) a bunch of items to make improvements. One thing they already did better compared to earlier vehicles: Mass (or lack of it). The 48" vehicle was apparently slightly under the design weight, at 1000 pounds.

    Good luck to John and the rest of the crew at Armadillo.

    --

    Less is more.

  6. slashdot fails journalism 101 again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've noticed too many slashdot articles in which the information is misrepresented, misquoted, or quoted out of context. This is yet another case... Slashdot claims that it exploded after reaching 200 feet, which is untrue. It exploded 200 feet horizontally FROM its takeoff point. If you actually had bothered to read the article, the craft approached nearly 1000 ft vertically. It was during landing that the chute failed to deploy and the craft was destroyed.

    Of course, 1000 ft isn't that impressive. However, they did produce the craft very cheaply. And, it surely could have travelled farther than 1000 ft, they were merely testing their initial design.

    My advice for the team is to attempt to test their next rocket without their dummy payload. It would be best to successfully launch and land a test craft safely before attempting to gauge their capacity for load.

  7. Torrent of the video by madumas · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here is a torrent for the 4MB video. I'll keep it up for 24-48 hours.

    48InchCrash.mpg.torrent

    Please seed.

  8. mirror of video by reezle · · Score: 5, Informative

    Let's see how long my server lasts. {Sheepish-Grin}

    VIDEO

    (Thanks for the text-mirror earlier. It was nice to read about it, and see that they all kept their sense of humor about the situation.)

  9. Other Contestants by appleLaserWriter · · Score: 5, Funny

    Will North Korea be allowed to enter?

  10. This is sloppy work by Ge10 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Rocket science is not easy, but almost all of Armadillo's mishaps were due to easily forseeable problems, such as:

    *battery connectors coming off
    *no protection against inductive kickback(essential around any combination of electromechanical and electronic devices)
    *not restricting allowable user inputs (ie joystick)
    *underrated power transistors for drive unit (this is very basic stuff)
    *finally, not setting minimum fuel level for takeoff

    When you are dealing with a field as complex as this, you can't afford to make such stupid mistakes.

  11. Re:doom3 by John+Carmack · · Score: 5, Funny

    I said the same thing -- the puffs from the flying tank look just like a bad particle system that dropped points far too sparsely. Strange.

    John Carmack