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Some Of The Lost X-Patents Found

Jerry Browne writes " The New York Times (reg req) is carrying a story about the recent discovery of some lost patents. Apparantly a fire at a temporay storage site in July 1836 destroyed the first 10000 patents issued. From the article..."The Patent and Trademark Office has issued nearly seven million patents; the first 10,000 are known as the X-patents. They were issued from July 1790, when the United States patent system was created under an order signed by George Washington, to July 1836, when every one of them burned in a fire...In the 168 years since the fire, only about 2,800 have been recovered....Until this spring, that is, when two lawyers...a clue to several important patents from the 1790's - including one from 1826 for the first internal combustion engine...""

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  1. 1826 the first engine ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
    According to http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aacarsga sa.htm

    The very first self-powered road vehicles were powered by steam engines and by that definition Nicolas Joseph Cugnot of France built the first automobile in 1769 - recognized by the British Royal Automobile Club and the Automobile Club de France as being the first. So why do so many history books say that the automobile was invented by either Gottlieb Daimler or Karl Benz? It is because both Daimler and Benz invented highly successful and practical gasoline-powered vehicles that ushered in the age of modern automobiles. Daimler and Benz invented cars that looked and worked like the cars we use today. However, it is unfair to say that either man invented "the" automobile.

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    1824 - English engineer, Samuel Brown adapted an old Newcomen steam engine to burn gas, and he used it to briefly power a vehicle up Shooter's Hill in London.
  2. What is the distribution pattern by nebaz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If 10,000 patents were all that were issued from 1790 to 1836 (40 years) and considering we are up to patent number 7,000,000 (approx) right now, it would be interesting to have a graph of patents granted over time from 1790 to the present. My guess is that it would be an exponential curve.

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    1. Re:What is the distribution pattern by servognome · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This is from a quick search I did by patent number:
      1 - Traction Wheels - July 13, 1836
      10 - Cutting Dye Wood - Aug 10, 1836
      101 - Sails and Rigging - Dec 6, 1836
      1,000 - Carriage Spring - Nov 3, 1838
      10,000 - Paddle Wheel - Sep 6, 1853
      100,000 - Horse Sun Bonnet - Feb 22, 1870
      250,000 - Ditching Machine - Nov 22, 1881
      500,000 - Combined Plush Tank & Manhole - Jun 20, 1893
      1,000,000 - Vehicle Tire - Aug 8, 1911
      1,500,000 - Submersible vessle for navigation under ice - Sept 10, 1920
      2,000,000 - Vehicle Wheel Construction - May 12, 1932
      2,500,000 - Interlock for Quick Fastening Doors - Dec 6, 1946
      3,000,000 - Automatic Reading System - May 6, 1955
      4,000,000 - Process for Recycling Asphalt-aggregate compositions - Dec 28, 1976
      5,000,000 - Ethanol production by Escherichia coli strains co-expressing Zymomonas PDC and ADH genes - Mar 19, 1991
      6,000,000 - Extendible method and apparatus for synchronizing multiple files on two different computer systems - Dec 7, 1999
      6,750,000 - Electron device manufacturing method, a pattern forming method, and a photomask used for those methods - Jun 15, 2004
      Approximate time between patents:
      #1-10,000: 17 years
      #10,000-100,000: 17 years
      #100,000-500,000: 23 years
      #500,000-1,000,000: 18 years
      #1,000,000-2,000,000: 21 years
      #2,000,000-3,000,000: 23 years
      #3,000,000-4,000,000: 21 years
      #4,000,000-5,000,000: 15 years
      #5,000,000-6,000,000: 8 years
      #6,000,000-6,750,000: 5 years

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  3. Working models of patent inventions by StefanJ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There was once a requirement that patent applications be accompanied by a working model of the invention.

    The patent office once stored thousands of these little gadgets.

    When the requirement was lifted, the patent office cleared out the warehouse, and gave way the models.

    As you can imagine, most were probably trashed . . . given to kids who destroyed them. The surviving specimens are hot collector's prizes.

    I once visited a collector's house, while doing "Dead Media" research. He had a few models. Most were of really pedestrian things, like automated brick makers.

    STefan

  4. How insightful by siskbc · · Score: 5, Interesting
    If 10,000 patents were all that were issued from 1790 to 1836 (40 years) and considering we are up to patent number 7,000,000 (approx) right now, it would be interesting to have a graph of patents granted over time from 1790 to the present. My guess is that it would be an exponential curve.

    Of course it would. The population has grown exponentially, as has effectively every other non-ratio metric associated with our country. GDP has gone up exponentially, food consumption has gone up exponentially, the stock market...you get the idea.

    A much more insightful study would be patents/person by year. I would imagine that this figure has also gone up, though likely not quite with an exponential dependence. Most interesting would be sharp jumps in this curve that one might associate with specific events, like WWII, certain presidents getting elected, new USPTO directors, and so on.

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    1. Re:How insightful by Saeger · · Score: 4, Interesting
      In fact, it's been observed that just about any evolutionary process you care to name will advance exponentially. This is known as The Law of Accelerating Returns (which is more general than the more familliar "Moore's Law" that people like to apply to everything except what it was intended for (transistors)).

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  5. Re:Ironically by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ironically, British troops had attacked Washington DC 24 years earlier, burning nearly everything except those patents, which they very carefully avoided.

  6. 10000 Patents. by fozzmeister · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They were issued from July 1790, when the United States patent system was created under an order signed by George Washington, to July 1836

    10000 Patents in 43 years, That is a lot lower than the amount of patents issued nowadays. Perhaps the patent officers should take a cue from the old (dead) guys and be waaaaaaaay more stingy with patents that are granted. My bet is because they can't keep up with the amount of patents they pass more patents, so companies file for more patents.

  7. Re:Worthless info. by mikael · · Score: 4, Interesting

    After watching "Connections" on the Discovery channel, I always thought it would be cool if you could graph the references between research papers and also do the same for patents.

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  8. Re:Return of working model requirement?! by Bushcat · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The National Maritime Museum (http://www.nmm.ac.uk/) in the UK has world's largest collection of original drawings, consisting of some 1 million plans dating from the early 18th Century. With a couple of other resources, it's possible to track British shipbuilding continuously from 1688. Since it's a public collection, if you can name the ship they're obliged to provide a copy of the plans (but not for free).

    But the designs for the first 16 ships of the modern fleet didn't exist as drawn plans at all, rather they were models. It was a case of "one like this, please, but 25 times larger."

    Even when it drawn plans became the norm, the Navy Board would require a model: from http://www.nmm.ac.uk/site/request/setTemplate:sing lecontent/contentTypeA/conWebDoc/contentId/14112/v iewPage/2, "You are to prepare and send with your Draught a Solid or Model shaped exactly by the same with the Load Water Line, the height of the Decks and Wales, the Channels, Chainplates, Ports, Gallerys etc marked thereon; And that everything proper to explain your Design be done both on the Draught and Solid in as particular manner as possible for our consideration and directions therin before you proceed on your Building or Rebuilding.

    Letter from the Navy Board to the Master Shipwrights at the Royal Dockyards, 1716."

    So using models for patent applications is a very reasonable concept when describing a three-dimensional entity.

  9. Re:Burned by glesga_kiss · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Who's to say that these old ones were "accidently" burned in the first place? Didn't the US get a major boost when it was a fledging nation by ignoring patents and copyright from the old world? The mention of one for the internal combustion engine makes me wonder...didn't Henry T Ford stick his middle finger up at patents?

    Mmmm, several hundred year old consipracy. This is gonna drive 'em nuts for years... ;-)

  10. Re:Hmmm. Is that the solution? by rokzy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    (hopefully) that discussions should not be reduced to a set of childish rules.

  11. Re:Return of working model requirement?! by angle_slam · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The requirement of a working model may have been doable in the days of mainly mechanical inventions. But these days, a lot of inventions are electrical. A large processor such as an Athlon 64 probably has dozens have patents. Should they be required to submit an Athlon 64? How will the PTO test it? What if the invention is on a method of making a processor. Can't really model that, can you? Not to mention drug patents, or software patents.

  12. Re:Burned by cowbutt · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Maybe some of the new tech patents will 'accidently' get burned.. we can only hope

    Actually, no. At least not the ones that genuinely are innovative.

    I'd quite like to see the expiry date on all of them mysteriously reduce by 2/3rds or so, but I'd hate to see that ingenuity lost forever and need to be re-invented.

    The problem with tech patents is that the tech industry is still incredibly immature and developing at a rapid rate. Patent durations that make sense for mechanical devices aren't really appropriate for tech patents at this stage in the game.

    Eventually, I'd like to see patents and copyrights "self-tune" according to some metric like the median number of registered works per capita (i.e. if almost everyone in the country has a few hundred registered works in their name - as opposed to their slavemaster^Wemployer's name - then it would appear hardly any protection is necessary as somehow people are innovating and creating and managing to make doing so a profitable enterprise). I expect this would integrate well with rms' thoughts on "functional" (i.e. programs, devices), "creative" (fiction, music) and "representative" (memoirs, manifestos) works (see section 7 of linked article).

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  13. Re:Provocation by Da+Penguin · · Score: 2, Interesting
    There is a word for it: provocation.

    Except for the fact that (as many believe) the Nazis started the fire to strengthen their position.

  14. Fascinating Old Patents by midnightthunder · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The original requirement for a patent model allowed for a maximum volume of one cubic foot, measured on all faces as the limit in model size. I am sure that originally, that seemed reasonable enough. Still, it became quite evident as the Patent Office was busy turning into a massive filing system of 12 inch by 12 inch by 12 inch models that this was a nightmare in progress, reminiscent of the final scene in Raiders of the Lost Arc wherein an item is carted off into an endless warehouse. The models themselves vary from small individual components to astonishing miniaturized versions of large machinery to full size examples of individual products. The materials vary from wood, to machined metals to amazing works done in tin. Around 1890, the cubic foot rule had become unworkable and the models were no longer accepted. After allowing the Smithsonian to pick and choose from among the models, the remainder were scrapped. From among these, a small fraction have survived and reside in museums and collections. Some of these are sufficiently interesting as to serve as the centerpieces of collections. While the models themselves may be more of museum pieces, than educational, which could be debated either way, the documentation of the evolution of patents and how they build one each upon the others that have cut the path before them is of historical and technical interest.