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DVD Player Maker's Margins just $1

callipygian-showsyst writes "This news.com story tells how Chinese DVD player manufacturers are only making $1 margins per player! The story says that 'Commoditization is hitting China's DVD player manufacturers hard, according to researcher iSuppli, Between January and May, the average selling price of a DVD player exported out of the Guangdong province came to $40.80, leaving just about $1 in profit margins for the manufacturers.' You wonder if other business, like low-end PCs hardware, are in similar trouble."

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  1. Cell phone makers would be jealous... by datastalker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...since they sell their hardware at a loss. (Granted, they get money from the service subscription.) Microsoft loses billions of dollars on the XBox, to sell games. This is common, and will be getting moreso. It won't be long before hardware is essentially free, and the software/services you buy are where the money is generated.

    1. Re:Cell phone makers would be jealous... by tsunamifirestorm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is that those companies (cell phone, video games) can sell additional games, service plans etc. while the DVD player company has no control over where DVDs are bought from (if the company even makes DVDs)

    2. Re:Cell phone makers would be jealous... by Swamii · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Microsoft: hardware will be essentially free, software will pay the bills.

      OSS: software will be free, services will pay the bills.

      Apple: software will be essentially free, hardware will pay the bills.

      Sun: hardware will be essentially free, services and software will pay the bills.

      Me: businesses will make money any way they can.

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  2. Its all about volume by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That is the 'new' economy.. Forget the days of high profit items for most industries that
    are technology related.

    This is a byproduct of more efficient manufacturing, and in many cases, *fair* competition..
    ( something that we don't currently have in this country , but that is a different subject )

    Don't expect this trend to change any anytime soon either...

    Too bad it also means fewer jobs to make the money to buy the cheap items... Since it takes fewer people to make the same # of items it did 10 years ago.

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    1. Re:Its all about volume by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That is the 'new' economy.. Forget the days of high profit items for most industries that
      are technology related.


      This isn't "new" at all. $1 on a $40 COGS is 2.5% NET margin. Dell gets by on 4% NET margin. NET margin is what you get after you've paid all your bills. It's what goes in the bank at the end of the month. Most households get by on 0% NET margin. In other words, they spend everything they make each month.

      Your local HEB, QFC, Safeway, King Soopers, Piggly Wiggly or whatever your local supermarket is called is also living on 1% net margins.

      Nothing big, nothing new.

    2. Re:Its all about volume by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Since it takes fewer people to make the same # of items it did 10 years ago.

      That's not necessarily so. I read an interesting article a while back (I don't remember where, sorry), that covered Ohio Art's outsourcing of Etch-A-Sketches to China. It said that it now takes significantly *more* labor to put together each Etch-A-Sketch because the factory in China is less automated than the American one was. However, the labor is so much cheaper that the overall production cost is still lower.

      IMHO, the US is being lazy and shortsighted by trying to move so much manufacturing overseas instead of focusing on better automation. The manufacturing jobs will be lost either way, but at least with automation we wouldn't be allowing our national capabilies for making anything other than lawsuits or french fries atrophy. We wouldn't be building up such massive trade deficits either.

    3. Re:Its all about volume by foidulus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is also bad for corporations in the long run, but by that time the "geniouses" who engineered this will be out with a golden parachute. Low labor costs really hide the true cost of your product, esp. if you price everything in dollars. It takes more resources to make thsoe etch-a-sketchs in China than it does in the US, but since there doesn't seem to be the need to make labor cheaper, the costs just get hidden(or more likely, passed along to everyone else in the US in the form of higher prices for commodoties like oil and steel). Eventually, those workers won't be so cheap anymore(would happen sooner if China didn't enforce such an deflated yuan), and then the company will be faced with high labor costs and virtually no advances in automation. If they try to fire people, the factory will probably just pump out a ton of rip-off etch a sketches and beat them with their own product.
      But once again, it won't matter to the executives with the golden parachute....

  3. And that, my friends... by Meat+Blaster · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Is why outsourcing is such a fantastic idea.

    You play to the strengths of the manufacturing of each country, take out the middleman, and we no longer have to pay inflated costs for everything.

    Kind of wierd to think that it's cheaper to get something made and shipped halfway around the world than it is next door, but if it makes a dollar go farther in this economy I'm all for it.

    1. Re:And that, my friends... by Eric+Damron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "(And that, my friends)... is why outsourcing is such a fantastic idea.

      You play to the strengths of the manufacturing of each country, take out the middleman, and we no longer have to pay inflated costs for everything."

      It's not that simple. Out sourcing may in the short run be good for some consumers but it is a two sided sword. For the people that lose their jobs because of out sourcing it is very bad.

      It is also very bad for the small "mom and pop" companies. Only large corporations can afford to do out sourcing so by supporting it you are playing into their hands. They want to squeeze out the smaller companies so that they can better control the market. Once they succeed the prices won't stay cheap anymore.

      Out sourcing is NOT good in the long run for most people.

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    2. Re:And that, my friends... by dourk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You, apparently, don't work in the manufacturing industry.

      I do. I produce my products in Southern California, even though I pay a huge penalty in wages and insurance and taxes to do so.

      One of my largest competitors is literally around the corner. His products are made in Taiwan/China.

      Even so, MY retail price is lower than his. And my '05 model products are already stocked on the shelf. If he's lucky, his are in a container on a ship waiting to get through customs.

      Your dollar isn't going any farther. It's just increasing somebody's profit rather than paying wages of my American neighbors.

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    3. Re:And that, my friends... by Travoltus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's more expensive here because of nasty evil socialist edicts like
      *workplace safety regulations
      *environmental pollution controls
      *the 40 hour work week restriction
      - And that sort of stuff. That is far more expensive than just business taxes alone.

      Global outsourcing is absolutely nothing more than big business's way of saying "this country cares about its environment and its workers and as such we choose to do business where such concerns are nonexistent."

      Corporations do not care about you, or the air, water or soil that they might pollute. They care solely about profit, and when the good of humanity, or its very survival, is at odds with their profit margins, they decide profit margins must win. Thus they threaten us with foreign outsourcing - either we cave in and give them what they want (regulation and lower cost of doing business - which includes eliminating environmental laws and ALL workers' rights), or they leave for another country who will.

      To steal a Rush Limbaugh quote, America is being held hostage.

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    4. Re:And that, my friends... by aelbric · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not to sound degradating, but do you really believe that the people who all run a corporation are trying to do nothing but poison the environment and put us all into economic slavery?

      What I was talking about was a rational approach to reducing the cost of doing business in this country. What do I mean by that? Perhaps we should examine:

      *The ridiculous salary and bonus options paid to company officers of major corporations.
      *Torte reform
      *Healthcare reform
      *Tax reform. Not just changing the rates, but changing how the whole system functions.
      *Sanity in labor contracts.
      *Sanity checks in unemployment benefits.
      *A wholistic view of subsidies, Tarrifs, and duties paid on goods.
      *Intelligent and strategic reviews of foreign aid and grants.

      A business is a living being run by people. It will do whatever is necessary to insure its survival.

      Yes they need to be regulated, but regulated in such a way they can can continue to grow without forcing them to do it at the expense of employees or shareholders. This is something that responsible government should be able to accomplish if we could just stop screaming at each other long enough to focus on it.

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  4. no by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Fair is defined as a level playing field. If we are playing a game of soccer, and your team cheats, the match was not fair. If no one cheats, it is a fair match. It is not required that our teams like each other: it's quite possible to play a fair match against someone you absolutely despise.

    Fair competition is the same. If a government is heavily subsidizing a company, that's not fair competition. If a group of companies is colluding to drive a competitor out of business, that's not fair competition. If lots of people are making the same thing, thereby driving down prices, that's fair competition.

    What you seem to be looking for is no competition, wherein either a government or cartel sets prices, rather than the market. That has nothing to do with fair competition, and is really about the exact opposite.

  5. It's this called perfect competition? by nmosfet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At least close to perfect competition since in perfect competition, the profitsare zero. I don't really see how this is a problem.

  6. Sometimes outsourcing doesn't work. by Firethorn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Once you figure in shipping costs, customs & foreign legal costs, time delay, and sometimes translation problems sometimes changing how you operate in the USA can actually be cheaper.

    I remember reading how MPC computers (formerly Micron) was considering outsourcing like dell and gateway have done. They took a different approach, and are doing much better. They have found that they can compete while staying in the USA and not outsourcing anything. Of course, the fact that they're not in a high-rent area of the USA probably helps. The cost of living in areas like California and NYC really skews the numbers.

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  7. The answer (not 42 this time) by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ``You wonder if other business, like low-end PCs hardware, are in similar trouble.''

    Yes, they are. This is why they try to squeeze every cent out of everything, leaving us with motherboards with leaking capacitors, harddrives with 1 year MTBF, memory errors, etc. Those of us who run cheap PC hardware, anyway.

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  8. Profit is not the point. by colonel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Really, profit isn't the point.

    The first objective is to create jobs. Especially in a socialist/communist country, it doesn't really matter whether the company makes big profits, it matters that they provide good jobs to the people. So, if the company pays the workers $2 per DVD player more than a US-owned company in China would, and makes a $1 profit per DVD player, then a US-owned company in China making the same DVD player would make three times the profit.

    The second point is to build up specialization. Making DVD players takes much more skill and training than making bamboo furniture for export. This encourages Chinese kids to stay in school longer because better jobs are available, which increases the net national education, which leads to more innovation and development.

    The third, and most important point, is to take over the world. Take a look at the Chinese currency. China's been making more and more stuff for export, and the US has been importing more and more from China. So, you would expect the Chinese RenMinBi to have increased in value compared to the US dollar over the last decade -- but it didn't, really.

    The reason that the RenMinBi has not dramatically increased in value compared to the US dollar is that China has been systematically buying (investing in) US companies with their new US dollars just as fast as those US dollars are coming in from the US. This is called a "balance of trade deficit" for the US. It's not sustainable for China to keep doing this, but very soon the communists will OWN capitalism.

    Forget this cold war shit, the best way to beat the capitalist pigs is to play by their rules (internationally), buy them out, and it's working.