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Pay To Have Your Phone Tapped

An anonymous reader writes "The Globe and Mail is running an interesting story over who should carry the cost of wiretapping (registration may be required): 'Canada's police chiefs propose a surcharge of about 25 cents on monthly telephone and Internet bills to cover the cost of tapping into the communications of terrorists and other criminals.'"

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  1. Bent over a barrel AND being charged barrel rent by Dorsai65 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Lovely. Tap folks and charge them for it in the process. Ya gotta love law enforcement.

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  2. Re:Har by jrockway · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Thank you Pringles can + 802.11g + VoIP + IPSec.

    Wiretap? Have fun.
    Tax? Try me.

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  3. Chinese bullets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I hear that in China, when they execute someone by firing squad, they make their family pay for the bullets in order to further humiliate the family.

  4. Fire Grue as the spokesmen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Get a load of this:

    "We're thinking, amongst ourselves, 25 cents. Whether that would cover off all the costs, we don't know. We haven't done the analysis on it," Supt. Grue said.

    What a maroon.

  5. ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    People are looking at Voice over IP as a solution to all this idiocy, but really, not because of its technological advantages at all. They're looking at it because telephone communication is too mainstream and has been saddled with all these extra charges, surveillance, telemarketing, et cetera, none of which is optional to pay for. If VOIP was mainstream, it would have exactly the same crap tacked onto it.

    I don't see why i should have to buy anything but what I want to buy... which is commmunication with family, friends, government, and businesses. Telcom's should not be forced to offer 'services' like this at all, they should only be motivated to offer services that benefit and attract customers.

    If the country thinks they should be using wire taps that is totally separate, and the budget certainly does exist.

  6. Re:Not a chance by swillden · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If it's not funded enough, fine; we the voters will think about giving you more money.

    The common response to this is that it's way too expensive to take this route, because building all of the wiretapping infrastructure will cost hundreds of millions of dollars. We'd have to double the law enforcement budgets if they had to pay to build this infrastructure themselves.

    However, that just raises the question of whether or not wiretapping infrastructure is a good way to spend our law enforcement dollars. All privacy, etc., issues aside, wouldn't we be better off taking the same amount of money and using it to hire more/better cops?

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  7. Re:Progressive taxes are worse than regular ones by SnapShot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Your powerful message shook the cynicism from my eyes. (cue patriotic music...)

    No longer will I assume that lobbiests funnel money to our representatives to buy influence. I now realize that they simply want to be friendly.

    No longer shall I think negative thoughts when Dick C. invites energy companies into private meetings to write energy bills. They were probably just playing Risk or Dungeons & Dragons.

    No longer will I assume that George was skipping National Guard duty in Texas rather than slogging through the jungles of Vietnam because of his family connections. It was probably just the luck of the draw.

    I will recognize that the DMCA was for the benefit of all citizens of our great country and not a cynical manuever to extend Mickey Mouse's value. I feel better knowing that my copyrights are now protected for decades after I die.

    I will rejoice that the grassroots efforts of the voters of California managed to unseat a lawfully elected govenor without the influence of outside money. Jeb next, anyone?

    From now on the great words of the commie freak Arlo will echo in my ears: "This Land is YOUR Land; This Land if MY Land!" Assuming, of course, that this is considered "fair use" under the current law.

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  8. Re:Errrr by Qzukk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How much do you think it costs to wiretap in the first place? Do you think they have wiretapping machines with a coin slot and "please insert 25 cents to hear the next two minutes"? No, they have a person (who is probably salaried and would be paid the same amount to NOT wiretap) sitting in a room (which they MIGHT have to rent from the phone company, though in these Digital Days, they probably just route the packets by some closet in the police station) recording the conversation on tape (which probably costs $5 a minute, knowing how governments like to buy from the closest-related bidder).

    So, for the roughly 30million people in Canada, this raises CDN$7.5million/month. If my estimate of $5/minute of tape is close, then thats 1.5million minutes of listening in on your phonesex calls.

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  9. Beware the Bureacracy Factor by Radical+Rad · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If this surcharge is put in place then obviously the price will need to be adjusted occasionally. By exaggerating the need for wiretaps the police chiefs can increase their budgets and their headcount without even raising taxes because the citizen only sees an increase in his phone and internet bills.

    Don't think it could happen? More than once, a friend of mine who compiles crime statistics was pressured by his female boss to massage the numbers for domestic violence cases because that is her pet peeve. She couldn't flat out say to change the numbers but it was clear what she wanted, especially after several years of this. He ended up reclassifying certain types of cases that had never been counted under DV before. Presumably she wanted to show an increased need for funding either for her own satisfaction or as a political favor to the director of that program.

    I guarantee you that if someone can bump up their headcount or budget by doing more wiretaps then more and more wiretaps will get performed regardless of the true need. Peace. Big Brother loves you.

  10. Fight back by Graabein · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Here's a subversive little list of links everybody should be familiar with:

    Armed with this information, use OpenBSD to set up firewalls with ALTQ packet prioritizing, PF stateful filtering and IPsec secure VPNs between all endpoints.

    Setup Asterisk PBX' behind the firewalls and network them over the VPNs.

    Now let them try to monitor your calls.

    (No, this doesn't help with calls you terminate with an insecure 3rd party, like a VoIP provider gatewaying your calls out to the PSTN. The "P" in PSTN is for "Public", so you need to treat it as completely insecure and act accordingly.)

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  11. Re:Har by surprise_audit · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Yep - encrypt everything, and set up a random traffic generator that encrypts some white noise and injects it into the stream, so that some of your traffic is garbage. Should keep homeland security busy.

    Or they just pick up you and all your contacts anyway, on suspicion of terrorst activity, because that's all they seem to need. Certainly that was all that was necessary when my son and his friend were stopped twice, for having a video camera in hand while waiting to board a cruise ship. They were accused of videoing the port facilities, even with the lens cap on and the camera turned off. Offers of playing back the tape on the spot were ignored, the security thugs being more interested in patting them down and threatening them with jail.