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Hollywood afraid of Microsoft

prostoalex writes "Associated Press claims that media industry has been quietly avoiding Microsoft and trying to keep the movie and music industries to their own. However, these days there's little chance of doing business without Microsoft and the movie studios are afraid of digital piracy more than they're afraid of Microsoft. The biggest fear? Microsoft will use its desktop PC monopoly to charge Hollywood outrageous fees and basically own the movie industry. Microsoft refutes the accusations, saying that it's only interested in selling more copies of Windows and applications for its platform, and providing movie content would promote the platform. Also noteworthy that among the four video-on-demand services that New York Times reviewed recently two that got the journalistic acclaim (StarzTicket and CinemaNow) are run by technology companies - Real Networks and Microsoft."

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  1. Re:Polish in the Right Places by garcia · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The customers own the movie industry and if Hollywood continues putting out crap films, studio execs will only have themselves to blame for the fall of Hollywood.

    Yes, yes, the will all only have themselves to really blame but who will they blame instead? Any outside force that they can; the weather, the people, the pirates, the actors, the staff, Microsoft, the theatres, the lavish party planners, whatever.

    Bad movies are put out because people still go and watch them either in the theatre or later on DVD. They will always have a market because there really isn't competition out there. It's not exactly as if we have a large group of movies to choose from every week...

  2. Don't wanna deal w/ MS? by oasis3582 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Simple. Don't buy into their DRM scheme. Release movies on the net with a proprietary or with another vendor's IP for DRM.

  3. If Hollywood had their way... by Agent+Green · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hollywood is generally the greediest of them all. After all, if they had their way:

    • There'd be no video rentals (i.e. Blockbuster, Hollywood Video, your neighborhood shop).
    • There'd be no video recording devices (VCRs, TiVo, etc).
    • There'd be no internet...because we all know about the evils of peer-to-peer networks (according to Orrin Hatch)

    So I guess they really have two outputs: Movies and FUD.

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    1. Re:If Hollywood had their way... by Steve+B · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Are you implying it costs millions of dollars to ship some heavy tin cans around the country?

      Once the studios have gotten some sap to accept payment as a percentage of net, it can cost billions (according to Hollywood Accounting) just to buy the tin for the can.

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  4. No real 'favorites' here. by etymxris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft has shown time and time again that it's primary objective is making money in the long term. It'll do that through whatever opportunities present themselves. Now, the players in the movie industry aren't stupid. They've seen how MS has locked others into their proprietary formats and they don't want their revenue streams subverted similarly.

    As for MS's "noble" intentions...pure bullshit. Where did MSNBC come from if MS wasn't interested in encroaching on Hollywood?

  5. The enemy of your enemy is your enemy by FreeUser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With MPAA on one side and Microsoft on the other, I just don't know who to cheer.

    Mutual annihilation (nuclear weapons optional)?

    If the Media Cartels and Hollywood mutually destroyed one another, we'd not only see the renaissance in software we've seen in the free software world accelerate even faster, we'd see a renaissance in cultural expression as well.

    Unfortunately the two are very likely to work out a sweetheart deal that destroys both and leaves us with nothing but a cultural wasteland in both arenas.

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  6. Re:The BBC isn't afraid... Hollywood could help th by dave420 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The BBC aren't doing that for some sort of ideological reason, but because they have to do "our bidding". They can't be in Microsoft's pocket by using their technology to encode the video streams - it has to be done in-house, and free of external licenses (also remember the license could extend to the client decoding side, which would mean every license-fee-paying-person would be automatically signed up as a MS customer)

    I wish everyone here would stop equating "not microsoft" with "vehemently opposed to microsoft on an ideological level and smoking the open-source pole" - it is possible to just not choose MS and still think for yourself.

  7. The solution: by MsGeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Used DVDs. That's how I usually scratch my moviegoing itch. Usually one can buy them for about $10...that's less than what it costs for two people to go to the movies even during matinee performances. The MPAA doesn't get my money, the pigopolists don't get my money, I get to see a recent movie, and if I like the movie I can watch it again whenever I want to.

    If you rent instead of buy, there is a rental sales list that is published weekly, so the MPAA can keep track of what people rent. However, they don't have a list (yet) for used DVD sales. And unlike used VHS tapes, they can't dirty up your DVD player. Just give the DVD a nice wipe with a static-free wet wipe before you first play it.

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  8. Hollywood fears Everything by sammyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But more than any-any-anything else, it fears losing money. So find an application (like, oh say, linux rendering servers) that saves significant money, and that crowd will jump at it. Give them a linux movie client that returns real dollar to them and they will jump at the new distribution media.

    Remember: Hollywood will go with Linux if it Makes Money.

  9. Re:Distro.. by GTRacer · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Open Source? Don't make me laugh at your naivity...

    What makes you think F/OSS is any less secure? Because you can see how the lock is made? If it's made right, it shouldn't matter. If it's implemented right, it shouldn't matter.

    And if it isn't, then someone can find out quickly and without fear of DMCA enforcement and let the coders know there's an issue.

    Because in its long history, PGP has been hacked HOW many times?
    GTRacer
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  10. Re:Distro.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because in its long history, PGP has been hacked HOW many times?

    That's because the problem PGP solves is... well... solvable. DRM is the art of giving information to someone without giving it to them. Not just impossible, plain stupid. Now I'm as much a FOSS fan as the next (/.) guy, but I don't think it can do the impossible. :-)

  11. Stupid question time! by budgenator · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hollywood wants super secret encryption
    Firstly a stupid question is one that questions a premise that everyone falsely believes to be true so here goes

    If encryption is a methods to allow two trusted parties to comunicate without an untrusted third party understanding the communication; how could Hollywood, use it to comunicate with an un-trusted consummer? Obviously they can't. Some how, some way Hollywood has to give the decryption key to the untrusted for viewing and no matter how obfuscated the key is, it has to be available and therefore breakable.

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    1. Re:Stupid question time! by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Insightful
      no matter how obfuscated the key is, it has to be available and therefore breakable

      Exactly. At some point they have to realize they can only do so much. Amazingly it's taken decades to bring out some of the stuff we've always wanted from the vaults -- old films, TV shows, and maybe maybe classic events in news or sports (they are playing some classic old football games, but imagine being able to choose the game you want to watch -- what did the end of the 'Heidi' game look like?) Produce and outstrip the pirates, undercut the prices of the pirates. It's amazing what people showed they were willing to spend to have a copy of a movie on Laser Disk or Video Tape -- too bad Hollywood still thinks it needs to charge high prices, which are the greatest contributor to piracy.

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  12. Yeah, we've never heard this before by 0x0d0a · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, this hasn't ever happened before:

    Microsoft: "Hi there! I'm Microsoft, and I just want to play friendly and build up value for my own products. I have no interest in your markets. You don't have to worry about us!"

    The number of companies that have been subsequently crushed or eaten goes on and on and on...

  13. Re:Hollywood and microsoft by The_REAL_DZA · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "...People in charge of enormous corporations like that sort of thing."

    Maybe, but the people just down the hall from the people in charge of enormous corporations like to have someone at whom to point the ominous finger of blame if (and inevitably when) something goes wrong. Sooner or later, somebody (and I'm not saying it might be someone in the employ of everybody's favorite villain. I'm NOT saying it. No way!) will launch an attack against everyone's favorite open-source OS and find some nasty little holes that nobody's ever noticed -- that's not a criticism of any individual, the open source "community", humanity in general, or anything else -- that's just plain common sense; nobody's perfect and therefore nobody's OS is perfect, no matter how hard we try to make the perfect one. That realization and the fact that Mr. IT Manager Dude doesn't want this script to play out in Mr. Bigwig's office someday:

    Mr. IT Manager Dude: "Sir, our supply-chain server was attacked by the HRPuffinStuff virus last night, and everything's gone."
    Mr. Bigwig: "HRPuffinStuff, eh? I heard something about that the other day at the club...Johnson's server over at Amalgamated was wiped out! I warned him about using that "freebie" software. Say...how did it affect our servers, I thought HRPuffinStuff only attacked...that other stuff?"
    Mr. Dude: "Well, er, uh, well..."
    Mr. Bigwig: "Oh, I see. Well..." [signature flick of the hand] "...you're fired."
    Mr. Dude: "But sir! My department came in 40% under budget last quarter! You were so proud you said you wish I had married your daughter!!"
    Mr. Bigwig: "That budget was for you to spend to keep me in business, not to save and put me out of business!" [muttering] "Why isn't this darned trapdoor button working?" [louder] "Uh, take about three baby-steps to your left. No, wait, not your left but my left."
    Mr. Dude: "What? Oh, yes sir. NOOOOOooooooooooooo..."



    is what's maintaining the "status quo." He'd much rather it went something like this:

    Mr. Bigwig: "Fleeson! What's wrong with my supply-chain server?!"
    Mr. IT Manager Dude: "Oh, those torpid mooncalves over at IttyBittySoft have done it to us again, sir! We were hit by the HRPuffinStuff virus last night and it'll be about a day and a half while they come up with some sort of a patch. Meanwhile, though, if you need me I'll be sitting on top of the cluster singing it a soothing lullaby -- no, it probably won't help, but just in case..."
    Mr. Bigwig: "My God, man, what about your wife? Your family? Your golf game?!?! No, I can't let you waste your life here because of the incompetency of those...uh, what'd you call them again?"
    Mr. Dude: "Oh, torpid mooncalves, sir."
    Mr. Bigwig: "Yes, yes, that's it...good one, Fleeson! And, you're sure there's no alternative to their product?"
    Mr. Dude: "Well, sir, I know how you fear, er...what is it you called it...oh, yes, 'that freebie stuff'..."
    Mr. Bigwig: "Quite right! Besides, we can't go fooling around with things the shareholders wouldn't understand, like that stuff, but they sure understand the incompetence of IttyBittySoft! (You know, they're not as 'tech savvy' as we are!)"
    Mr. Dude: "Oh, no Sir!
    Mr. Bigwig: "Now, show me again how you start that nifty Solitaire program..."


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  14. Re:dilemma... by ct.smith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's like a Godzilla movie. Neither monster is the good guy (OK, Godzilla vs. Mothra aside), you just hope not to get trampled under foot.

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