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Hollywood afraid of Microsoft

prostoalex writes "Associated Press claims that media industry has been quietly avoiding Microsoft and trying to keep the movie and music industries to their own. However, these days there's little chance of doing business without Microsoft and the movie studios are afraid of digital piracy more than they're afraid of Microsoft. The biggest fear? Microsoft will use its desktop PC monopoly to charge Hollywood outrageous fees and basically own the movie industry. Microsoft refutes the accusations, saying that it's only interested in selling more copies of Windows and applications for its platform, and providing movie content would promote the platform. Also noteworthy that among the four video-on-demand services that New York Times reviewed recently two that got the journalistic acclaim (StarzTicket and CinemaNow) are run by technology companies - Real Networks and Microsoft."

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  1. Yes, MS is the only bad guy here, no really... by garcia · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Microsoft views these deals as thawing its icy relations with Hollywood and eradicating old stereotypes about Microsoft software being buggy.

    Well of course it can't as it has been proven time and time again that it is indeed buggy and exploitable. It seems to me that the current methods for playing movies in theatres works pretty damn well and it isn't exactly as if MS' deals are going to make distribution inexpensive enough to become attractive.

    Yet Microsoft can't quite shake fears that its real intention is to use its monopoly position to charge Hollywood outrageous fees to access the computer desktop.

    They charge everyone else astronomical licensing fees and speculation that it will only get worse is running rampant - probably justifiably so. Would they really cut Hollywood such a sweet deal as to protect them forever from licensing fees that would make this cost prohibitive? I doubt it. I would really like to know exactly how MS is trying to sell this to them.

    To be honest though, I am fairly impressed that Hollywood is actually making a stand and telling them off. I don't know too many other businesses that would be so wary.

    ...studios say they need to encourage competition so they won't be held hostage by one company.

    That is one hysterical comment that was only for the benefit of those that won't RTFA.

  2. Re:Polish in the Right Places by Short+Circuit · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sure they can't own the movie industry...but they can certainly give themselves a stranglehold over its distrobution resourcse.

  3. Hollywood and microsoft by bunburyist · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The suits who run the studios are so disconnected* from the techies in the render farms that such issues never enter their brains.** And to big-corp-think, of course, free software -- free anything -- is an abomination and unclean anyway. Understanding this, IMO, is key to understanding everything from the [MP|RI]AA's reaction to piracy, to Microsoft's reaction to Linux. In their perfect world, you pay for everything; more specifically, you pay them for everything. The idea that anyone might be able to get useful stuff for free wakes them up in screaming nightmares. This is not rational cost-benefit analysis. This is a clash of worldviews as fundamental as Galileo's with the Church.

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    * I'm not claiming any special insider knowledge of how Hollywood studios work. This is my guess based on my experience of how big corporations work in general.

    ** If they have brains. Or hearts. Or courage. All of which are highly debatable.

    1. Re:Hollywood and microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The idea that anyone might be able to get useful stuff for free wakes them up in screaming nightmares.

      Of course it does as they are profit-based entities. They like to make money and lots of it.

      Do you really think that there is some free alternative to what MS is offering that will come with the backing and support that MS is likely willing to offer as part of their "deal"?

      I think that money for the technology has only a part to do with why the studios are uninterested in dealing with Microsoft. They are uninterested because they fear that MS will then completely control what happens with the content they create on the medium.

      Oh, you need an auto update, ok, click through this EULA which will give us an even larger percentage of your profits.

    2. Re:Hollywood and microsoft by Goonie · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Linux will never make it to the desktops, the productivity applications will forever be 5+ years behind.

      Are you telling me there's been any genuinely significant improvement in Microsoft Office in the last 5 years?

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  4. They brought this on themself by beacher · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Remember a ways back when Microsoft announced codecs for use in digital theatres. I'm not sure of implementation #'s but this was when they could have staved this off. Trusted Computing, DRM are here because Hollywood was a huge proponent of these technologies. Here is your bed, Hollywood.

  5. Re:If Hollywood had their way... by garcia · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If Microsoft had their way there would be:

    no selling of their software on EBay.
    no ownership of the software after you purchase it (they really own it you just license it from them)

    I guess MS has two outputs: Software and bugs?

  6. Re:The BBC isn't afraid... Hollywood could help th by sql*kitten · · Score: 3, Interesting

    DIRAC, the BBC-technology project to bring a new, royalty and patent free open source codec into life, has got to be worth looking into.

    Yes, well, I'll believe it when I see it. The BBC is funded by the British taxpayer to the tune of GBP 2.5Bn (that's around USD 4Bn) per year. All the material they produce WE ALREADY OWN. I should be able to download - or at least, buy for the cost of the media alone - anything produced by the BBC ever, simply by proving that I've paid the TV tax (which I have). Instead, the BBC is off on some ivory tower "let's invent a new format" wild goose chase.

    There are already squillions of codecs. The BBC should just pick one and get to work encoding its video archives for download. Dirac is nothing but procrastination.

  7. Re:The enemy of your enemy is your enemy by jeffasselin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'll take a cue from Lord of the Rings here, and refer you to the suggestion to let Saruman and Sauron (the two main evils) battle it out and exterminate themselves, to which Gandalf replies: but the winner would get out of the fight stronger, and without doubt.

    I think this is the case. I fear they would not exterminate each other, but most likely one would emerge the winner, and we the public would be the biggest losers. Better to let them stay wary of each other while we run an underground movement to defeat both opponents at once.

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  8. MSNBC? by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Microsoft refutes the accusations, saying that it's only interested in selling more copies of Windows and applications for its platform, and providing movie content would promote the platform.
    How does its content partnership with NBC News (aka MSNBC) help it sell more copies of Windows? The content is freely available over the television and unrelated to Windows. Sure they probably get headlines for their web portals, but it'd seem making a deal with cnn, fox, etc would be a smaller capital investment. Their intent seems to be to get into content.
  9. Re:Without the Internet, where would Free SW be? by Fred_A · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They used to render on SGIs before. The only point of FilmGimp and Linux renderfarms is that their profit margin is now bigger.

    It has had zero effect for the public.

    Sorry, it has had the effect that some software made it back to the community, so it has had an effect on a very small margin of the public after all.

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  10. Re:What are the odds? by Big_Al_B · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, I'd just like to see a computer in a movie that is what it is, and not some bastardization of Windows and Mac and usually some concocted audio/animated GUI nonsense where the "envelope" for an email folds up and disappears into a fake screen horizon upon "send".

    Watching a movie and seeing a C:\ prompt on a monitor emblazoned with the Apple logo just bothers me.

  11. Re:Correct me if I am wrong- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    I've worked in the industry and Windows is not as dominant there as everywhere else in computing. It plays a role, but a smaller one than most folks might expect, usually non-critical tasks. I don't want to dis MS because I'm not one of those platform-devotees but I think one of the reasons cg work is done so well is precisely because MS isn't there so dominantly. I wonder sometimes why other industries don't look at Hollywood and see the success and good work there without a dependency on MS and put 2 and 2 together.

  12. Re:Polish in the Right Places by the+unbeliever · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The AMC Buckhead Backlot 6 in Atlanta does exactly that. It's a movie theater/restaurant, and is quite successful.

  13. Kiss your Internet GOOD BYE ! by B_SharpC · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The new Internet 2: Censored.

    The new revised Internet sequel, Internet 2 coming to a PC near you is a fully censorship based controlled media. Enjoy the old free Internet now while you can.

    http://www.newswithviews.com/public_comm/public_co mmentary7.htm

    Although I am enjoying liberal Hollywood taking a beating for dumping their nonsense leftist movies on us, Microsoft would be worse. MSNBC is a failure. (MS = Microsoft)

    Ths new Internet 2: Censored, should make Microsoft our official Censorship Czar for the U.S.A. (*sigh*)

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  14. Changing In-Movie Ads by JaxGator75 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Actually, this is quite an idea. They already have the technology to replace "Coke" ads for "Pepsi" ads on live TV during soccer/football/baseball games, so it's not too far of a stretch to think that they could replace "Lexus" for "Microsoft" and then again for "Hudson Hawk 3: The Glistening" at their leisure.

    I'm sure the DVD releases will replace all those ads with self-serving ads, like previews fro the newest "Studio ABC" release, or simply a shout out to their own company! I'm still sick of all the product placements from "Minority Report" and I feel it's only going to get worse. . .

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  15. Macintosh and the movies by Dan+East · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've noticed something over the course of watching hundreds of movies over the years. Invariably when a movie shows a PC or a notebook it is 9 times out of 10 a Macintosh. I've found this to be rather odd, considering how disproportionate this ratio is compared to the real world. It would be interesting if someone compiled a database of movies and the computing hardware used for props.

    I've often wondered what underlying politics within the movie industry drives this trend, as it certainly is no coincidence.

    Dan East

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