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Bridging the Digital Divide With PCtvt?

maddu writes "Dr. Raj Reddy, a pioneering researcher in artificial intelligence and a professor at Carnegie Mellon University, plans to unveil his new project, called the PCtvt, later this year - it's a $250 wirelessly networked personal computer intended for the four billion people around the world who live on less than $2,000 a year, according to the NYT (free reg. req.) He says his device can find a market in developing countries, particularly those with large populations of people who cannot read, because it can be controlled by a simple TV remote control and can function as a television, telephone and videophone." We've previously covered the somewhat conceptually related Simputer.

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  1. Obligatory by OverlordQ · · Score: 4, Informative
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  2. Ah... by Hobbex · · Score: 4, Funny

    "...it's a $250 wirelessly networked personal computer intended for the four billion people..."

    Ah, well then. Your trillion dollars or mine?

  3. I wouldn't spend 1/8th of my yearly salary on it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Admittedly, my salary is much more, but let's say you make $40,000 a year. Would you be willing to spend $5000 on a computer?

  4. Not trolling, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful


    ... maybe they should spend their money on food and birth control? I mean, what good is the 'net when you have 8 kids hungry at home? Seriously, the net is a wonderful tool but it's not going to magically transform a shantytown into a utopia.

    1. Re:Not trolling, but... by mcrbids · · Score: 4, Informative

      ... maybe they should spend their money on food and birth control? I mean, what good is the 'net when you have 8 kids hungry at home? Seriously, the net is a wonderful tool but it's not going to magically transform a shantytown into a utopia.

      I see this, time and time again. It appears to be sound reasoning: Why invest in XYZ information technology when they're going hungry?

      The answer is astonishingly simple - Information is the key to finding out how to feed those hungry kids! If the problem is corruption in the local govt, information is the key to coming up with a solution. If the problem is lack of farming technology, where do you think the solution might be found, if not in what is perhaps the largest information repository in the world?

      Also, information itself has direct value - how many of us here feed our families by accessing, processing, and developing information?

      I feed my 5 hungry kids every day doing this!

      When Gutenberg created the printing press 450 years ago, what he really did, in effect, was leverage the power of knowledge, and extend the reach of those who knew to many, many more people that didn't.

      The Internet is an extension of that same idea. Why would you deny these people the fruits of YOUR knowledge just because they are lacking in some basic amenity, when that knowledge may well help them solve that deficiency?

      Another take: if you have $1,000, and you need to make a $750 house payment, AND a $750 work truck payment, which do you pay?

      Answer: Pay the work truck. Using the work truck will help you make the house payment, but using the house will not help you pay for your truck.

      These computers are roughly analogous to the work truck...

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    2. Re:Not trolling, but... by ILikeRed · · Score: 4, Informative
      You don't understand the economics of a poor agrarian society. It is in their best interests to have a large number of children because:
      • Many infants and children do not reach adulthood
      • It's their only source of cheap labor
      • It also serves as their retirement plan (Hopefully one or more of the children will do well enough to support them living with them in old age - these are not people with 401Ks who move to a Florida retirement community.)
      Anything that can be done to help their (or their children's) education levels is often better than any other source of help they might receive.
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  5. Re:Instead of reducing the price, increase incomes by Nos. · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you reduce it too much, yes. However, there's a fine line between markup and market share. As you reduce your price, your share of the market goes up. However, reduce your price to far, and you can't support your business.

  6. Power is problem. by deragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Great. Now we only need to find a cheap way to bring power to everybody's hut...

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  7. Re:I wouldn't spend 1/8th of my yearly salary on i by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, but split that among 50 families in the village, and it becomes MUCH more palatable.

  8. Windows? by endeitzslash · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One challenge Mr. Reddy faced was in persuading Microsoft to offer a version of its Windows software for the project for far less than its commercial price. But Mr. Reddy said he eventually won the support of Craig Mundie, the chief technical officer and a senior strategist at Microsoft.

    Strange that they wouldn't consider one of the free alternative OSs instead of going begging. Maybe Microsoft kicked in some research funds or something.

    1. Re:Windows? by GoofyBoy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      From the article;
      Mr. Reddy is hoping his project - with backing from Microsoft

      Not sure how MS would feel about supporting a project which uses a competitor.

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  9. Windows? by chill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Considering cost is a *major* factor in this project, and every dollar counts, why the hell did he put Windows on it? Granted, he seems to have worked out a deal with Microsoft for a "reduced price, stripped" copy of Windows, still... $0 is always less than Windows.

    In this case -- a controlled hardware environment -- Linux would have been perfect. And free (as in beer).

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  10. Asians value education by peter303 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the computer is perceived as a means to get ahead in the highly competative education market, many families will sacrifice then. I dont want to sound stereotypical, but many of the Asian cultures value education much more than Americans. People will pay a considewrable amount for private schools, Saturday schools, summer camps, etc.

  11. Re:I wouldn't spend 1/8th of my yearly salary on i by LetterJ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good grief, how long are you amortizing these loans? Even without interest, it takes 20 years to pay off $5000 at $20 month. Unless you meant $200/month which is closer to 2-3 years and more likely for a product with a 4 year useful life. 20 years on a car would be like financing a car over 40 years or more. It'd be completely destroyed and useless by the time you finished paying for it.

  12. Power? by 5m477m4n · · Score: 5, Funny

    intended for the four billion people around the world who live on less than $2,000 a year

    Do these people even have electricity? Maybe we should be examining our priorities here... Clean drinking water for everyone, or email? I'd don't know about you guys, but I'd take food and water over 32 messages about increasing the size of my pen1s!

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    1. Re:Power? by danharan · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Do these people even have electricity? Maybe we should be examining our priorities here... Clean drinking water for everyone, or email? I'd don't know about you guys, but I'd take food and water over 32 messages about increasing the size of my pen1s!
      Well, yes, as a matter of fact, a lot of those people do have power. It's kind of hard to lump them all in one category though...

      Slashdot has covered a number of stories that demonstrated the impact of good communications infrastructure in the "third world". Finding out what the real market rates are for your cash crop (instead of blindly trusting middlemen), getting your land title (instead of going through corrupt notaries), diagnosing diseases in your farm animals, communicating with relatives that are far away, education... the list goes on.

      It's not up to this guy that came up with a cool idea to decide between giving people clean water or cheap TV/computers. If we are to treat third-world people as equals, we'll have to trust them to decide whether they want to spend money on this tool or on something else that's more important to them. To decide for them is rather paternalistic, no?

      One last point - your pen1s enlArgement emails... we need help runnning this network, cause we're obviously overwhelmed. By inviting more people in, hopefully we'll find talented people- perhaps another Srinivasa Ramanujan?

      Let's assume these people can handle most of their problems if we're not fucking with them, and that they may actually help us solve some of our problems.
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  13. Re:Does it use Windows XP Starter Edition by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why, oh why didn't he use linux, like the Simputer?

    Seriously. I mean, the runaway success of the Linux-powered Simputer is impossible to ignore.

    That's why we're all posting to Slashdots from Simputers now, why most artificial hearts are Simputer-based, and why Keith Emerson traded in his Moog synthesizer for a bank of Simputers.

    Stupidity is trying something that's been done before but expecting a different result.

  14. Fuzzy math by Emmef · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Umm...there's something seriously wrong here...

    We start with:

    "a $250 wirelessly networked personal computer intended for the four billion people around the world who live on less than $2,000 a year".

    Then, later on in the article:

    "The answer, he decided, was a simple device that would offer entertainment, making it something that even the world's poorest citizens might be willing to pay a sizable share - perhaps more than 5 percent - of their annual income to own".

    Maybe it's just me, but $250 sounds like a lot more than 5% of $2000. I might be willing to pay 5 percent of my annual income to own something cool -- but 12.5%? I don't think so.

  15. Re:How is it... by GoofyBoy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >It's a nice idea and it should be done, but he's not the one that's going to do it.

    Yes, its all so clear.

    Attention all good natured people. Please stop what you are doing. You will become utter and complete failures unless you are a Certified Professional Engineer. Forget about your hard work, lobbying and dedicating your life to helping others. Your lack the skills and specialized university-level degree to help others in any sort of worthwhile way.

    Please, just give up. You are just embarssing the rest of us.

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  16. Steve would! by argent · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There's definitely precedent.

    "When I was in my first year of college, I told my father that I was going to own a 4K computer someday! And he said, 'Yeah, but they cost about as much as a house!' And I said, 'Well then, I'll live in an apartment.'" -- Steve Wozniak

  17. Why Windows? Reddy is on MS payroll by vegaspctech · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article fails to mention that Raj Reddy was already on the Microsoft payroll. See this four year old MS article, or poke around where appropriate.

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  18. Not trolling, but... ...not Insightful either. by i_r_sensitive · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...maybe they should spend their money on food and birth control...

    And what exactly is the benefit of birth control to the head of a third world family? Remember, we're talking about subsistence farming here. So when you peddle birth control you're trying to sell someone on greater economic prosperity by denying him the only real way in his environment to materially increase his prosperity, more children.

    In such an environment children are a resource, not an expense. Birth control is only attractive to a culture where children are an expense, not a resource. Until you materially bring up the overall level of prosperity in these cultures you cannot escape that simple economic reality.

    So one is really as useless as the other, the only advantage to the internet appliance is it gives the illusion of greater prosperity, and a view to the wider world. But neither offering materially affects the root problem, until the fundamental inequities in the global distribution of wealth are addressed there is little hope to ending this situation.

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