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Training Nurses With Virtual Veins

meganthom writes "UK Haptics is developing a virtual hand to help nurses learn how to draw blood and put in IVs in a realistic manner. Though plastic models are currently used, these do not give new nurses the 'feel' for how much pressure to apply to the needle, and they cannot alert the nurse about pain. The system currently under development, which uses haptics, would make the learning experience considerably more realistic, even telling the nurse when too much pressure was applied."

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  1. Re:Sweet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    He's not aiming for veins (which would be pretty pointless anyway, since they take blood back to the heart, not out to the cells locally) he's distributing the anesthetic around the area to assure the nerves are blocked. It's a subcutaneous injection (or intramuscular or intraligament - my dentist sometimes uses "intralig" injections on me), not intravenous or arterial.

    Did he apply a topical before the injection? That usually helps a bit.

  2. Limited Usefulness by klausner · · Score: 5, Informative

    As a retired paramedic who has stuck needles into literally thousands of veins, I can tell you that this kind of tool is of limited value. Even if they can exactly mimic the tactile sensations of a needle penetrating skin and then entering a vein, that's only part of the issue. A much bigger obstacle to be overcome is the social indoctrination that you don't go around stabbing people and making them bleed. Once most nursing/medical/paramedic students learn to just DO IT, their problems drop way off.

    The traditional training method of having students practice on each other has a lot to reccommend it as a means of overcoming such reluctance. Anyway, a practice model would only get used in class a few times per student, and then they will be out assaulting real patients anyway. Increased training costs for limited benefit.

    1. Re:Limited Usefulness by klausner · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've never seen a student come out of IV training (myself included) with any kind of competence. Just a familiarity with landmarks and technique. Practicing on classmates is better practice, and also generates some empathy for future patients.

  3. Re:Nice by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm not sure if she was nervous

    She was probably nervous, which made her a shaker.

    Most nursing and medical students will tell you that learning how to insert a needle is very stressful. Veins can be hard to find on most people (especially overweight people), it is usually taught towards the beginning of your training and is required for many tasks later on, you have a very attentive audience-- any mistake will certainly be noticed by the patient or the doctor, and nobody likes needles.

    My wife is a labor and delivery nurse. Imagine having to learn how to insert a needle into brand newm, wiggly newborn with teeny-teeny veins.

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  4. Trainees by October_30th · · Score: 3, Informative
    I once had infected sinuses and they were treated by puncturing the nasal wall with a damn long needle and flushing out the crap that had accumulated in the cavities beyond.

    Prior to the operation, local anesthetic was of course applied on the nasal wall. Incidentally, this last procedure was also conducted with a damn long needle shoved straight up my nose and it hurt like hell each time they did it. Yes, each time they did it. A trainee tried to do it four times until his supervisor finally took over and applied it successfully.

    Fortunately the actual puncturing of the nasal wall was unpleasant (lots of cracking and crunching sounds when the needle is pushed up your nose) but completely painless.

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  5. Re:Nice by Daniel+Boisvert · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't give blood anymore for this reason. I had a bad experience a few years ago with a new nurse who put the needle through the blood vessel in my arm, and into the nerve in my elbow. It took 6 months before my hand felt normal and regained full strength after that. I've read plenty of tales of folks who didn't regain full feeling after an experience like that, and don't want to take the risk of it ever happening again.

    If these things can help them learn to take blood without injuring folks like me, I'm all for it. I still probably won't ever give blood again, but if this became commonplace and I was assured of a really well-trained nurse, I *might* consider it..